Remove the "No Maximum Deck Size" rule.

[Ogre]

(Read the edit please before responding)

It works alright for the tabletop, but online? You literally can just bring your entire collection and play it.

The rule is that there is no hard limit, but you MUST be able to shuffle the deck adequately, and in a reasonable amount of time.
Now you might just realise why that rule doesn't work when applied to a digital format.

Anything between 75-100 (for general games, not EDH or Brawl as it's called here), I'm not a fan, but I'll roll with it, but I've seen some players bring like 250 card decks, and one dude in particular bring a deck that was about over 900 cards.

It's not amusing to play against, and I actively refuse to play against players who feel it's fine to pull that kind of crap. It's not fun, frankly, and just by allowing it, affects my gameplay experience.

There needs to be SOME sort of limit for the maximum amount of cards you can have in a deck. Just because the tabletop rules say you can have as many cards as you want, doesn't justify allowing it for a digital format, where that rule can be abused.
Either have a hard, but generous enough cap, or just strictly keep it to 60 cards only.

Not that I expect this to be addressed anyways, but it's an issue that's been persistent enough, and I'm kind of sick of seeing it.


I want to close this off however by saying that you're alright to bring extra cards (not including the sideboard, I'm talking about your deck size specifically) if you're worried about mill decks, or you feel you need them.
But please, for the love of god, DON'T be THAT kind of player. Those players aren't fun to play against, and I'm certainly not going to humour you in providing a match if you decide you want to pull that crap on me.
You know who you are. And you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Bring 40 extra cards MAXIMUM if you absolutely have to. Anything more, and you can find someone else to play against. I'm not having it.

EDIT: Apparently, there IS a limit. Good. Doesn't explain what I've encountered prior, but if this was always supposed to be the case, then that's a good thing, and I'll admit, makes all this sort of a moot point.
What stumps me however is those rare instances when I did see decks go over 250 cards. I genuinely can't explain for the life of me how those players managed to do it.
But I know for a fact that I've been matched with players who did bring decks over the limit.

In any case, will admit that I was ignorant of that fact, and that's my B. Doesn't explain those rare occasions when it wasn't so, but the responses have enlightened me that there's a limit, and thank God there is.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

There is a 250 card limit in MTGA, sooo... there ya go, problem already solved.

[Ogre]

Originally posted by Kurt Angle's Neck:

There is a 250 card limit in MTGA, sooo... there ya go, problem already solved.

I would hope this is a recent fix, but I can promise you, I've seen some play decks that go above that number. So forgive me if I'm doubtful on that claim.

One schmuck even brought a deck under 1k cards. It's absurd.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Originally posted by Ogre:

Originally posted by Kurt Angle's Neck:

There is a 250 card limit in MTGA, sooo... there ya go, problem already solved.

I would hope this is a recent fix, but I can promise you, I've seen some play decks that go above that number. So forgive me if I'm doubtful on that claim.

One schmuck even brought a deck under 1k cards. It's absurd.

Nope, the limit has always been 250.
The only thing absurd is you complaining about things that never happened.

[Berserkr]

Arena has always been 250 max afaik

[Ogre]

Originally posted by Kurt Angle's Neck:

Originally posted by Ogre:

I would hope this is a recent fix, but I can promise you, I've seen some play decks that go above that number. So forgive me if I'm doubtful on that claim.

One schmuck even brought a deck under 1k cards. It's absurd.

Nope, the limit has always been 250.
The only thing absurd is you complaining about things that never happened.

But it did, hence why I'm complaining.

But if that IS the case now, that's honestly a good thing, and I am all for it.

[Terror Knight]

Originally posted by Ogre:

It works alright for the tabletop, but online? You literally can just bring your entire collection and play it.

The rule is that there is no hard limit, but you MUST be able to shuffle the deck adequately, and in a reasonable amount of time.
Now you might just realise why that rule doesn't work when applied to a digital format.

Anything between 75-100 (for general games, not EDH or Brawl as it's called here), I'm not a fan, but I'll roll with it, but I've seen some players bring like 250 card decks, and one dude in particular bring a deck that was about over 900 cards.

It's not amusing to play against, and I actively refuse to play against players who feel it's fine to pull that kind of crap. It's not fun, frankly, and just by allowing it, affects my gameplay experience.

There needs to be SOME sort of limit for the maximum amount of cards you can have in a deck. Just because the tabletop rules say you can have as many cards as you want, doesn't justify allowing it for a digital format, where that rule can be abused.
Either have a hard, but generous enough cap, or just strictly keep it to 60 cards only.

Not that I expect this to be addressed anyways, but it's an issue that's been persistent enough, and I'm kind of sick of seeing it.


I want to close this off however by saying that you're alright to bring extra cards (not including the sideboard, I'm talking about your deck size specifically) if you're worried about mill decks, or you feel you need them.
But please, for the love of god, DON'T be THAT kind of player. Those players aren't fun to play against, and I'm certainly not going to humour you in providing a match if you decide you want to pull that crap on me.
You know who you are. And you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Bring 40 extra cards MAXIMUM if you absolutely have to. Anything more, and you can find someone else to play against. I'm not having it.

I don't understand what the problem is with a player having more than 60 cards. The number of cards that each player has in the game goes unnoticed by me, if the main objective is to make the opponent's HP reach zero, what would be the problem? Except if you play with a mill deck. Creating a deck with more than 60 cards also serves to defend against mill decks

[Ogre]

Originally posted by Dread Specter:

Originally posted by Ogre:

It works alright for the tabletop, but online? You literally can just bring your entire collection and play it.

The rule is that there is no hard limit, but you MUST be able to shuffle the deck adequately, and in a reasonable amount of time.
Now you might just realise why that rule doesn't work when applied to a digital format.

Anything between 75-100 (for general games, not EDH or Brawl as it's called here), I'm not a fan, but I'll roll with it, but I've seen some players bring like 250 card decks, and one dude in particular bring a deck that was about over 900 cards.

It's not amusing to play against, and I actively refuse to play against players who feel it's fine to pull that kind of crap. It's not fun, frankly, and just by allowing it, affects my gameplay experience.

There needs to be SOME sort of limit for the maximum amount of cards you can have in a deck. Just because the tabletop rules say you can have as many cards as you want, doesn't justify allowing it for a digital format, where that rule can be abused.
Either have a hard, but generous enough cap, or just strictly keep it to 60 cards only.

Not that I expect this to be addressed anyways, but it's an issue that's been persistent enough, and I'm kind of sick of seeing it.


I want to close this off however by saying that you're alright to bring extra cards (not including the sideboard, I'm talking about your deck size specifically) if you're worried about mill decks, or you feel you need them.
But please, for the love of god, DON'T be THAT kind of player. Those players aren't fun to play against, and I'm certainly not going to humour you in providing a match if you decide you want to pull that crap on me.
You know who you are. And you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Bring 40 extra cards MAXIMUM if you absolutely have to. Anything more, and you can find someone else to play against. I'm not having it.

I don't understand what the problem is with a player having more than 60 cards. The number of cards that each player has in the game goes unnoticed by me, if the main objective is to make the opponent's HP reach zero, what would be the problem? Except if you play with a mill deck. Creating a deck with more than 60 cards also serves to defend against mill decks

My issue isn't with people bringing more cards than the standard minimum of 60. It's when they bring something around 300 or even 900 cards.

Apparently though, I'm full of crap despite having seen it happen on occasion, so screw what I say, I guess. :|

[Berserkr]

sure you did

[Ogre]

Originally posted by Berserkr:

sure you did

I did. Admittedly, my fault for not thinking to grab a picture back when I did see it. I can see why it might seem a bit suspect without it. I do regret not getting proof to back it.

I'm telling you though, I've seen it happen on occasion. Might not be the case anymore, and I sure as hell hope so myself.

[Kurt Angle's Neck]

Originally posted by Ogre:

Might not be the case anymore

The limit has always been 250 on Arena.
Always.
You don't need to make things up to fit in here, there's plenty of legit issues to complain about.

[Terror Knight]

Originally posted by Ogre:

Originally posted by Dread Specter:

I don't understand what the problem is with a player having more than 60 cards. The number of cards that each player has in the game goes unnoticed by me, if the main objective is to make the opponent's HP reach zero, what would be the problem? Except if you play with a mill deck. Creating a deck with more than 60 cards also serves to defend against mill decks

My issue isn't with people bringing more cards than the standard minimum of 60. It's when they bring something around 300 or even 900 cards.

Apparently though, I'm full of crap despite having seen it happen on occasion, so screw what I say, I guess. :|

Lol I just wanted to understand your issue with 60+ card decks, because this is usually only a problem with mill decks.

[Ogre]

Originally posted by Kurt Angle's Neck:

Originally posted by Ogre:

Might not be the case anymore

The limit has always been 250 on Arena.
Always.
You don't need to make things up to fit in here, there's plenty of legit issues to complain about.

I swear, on God, I'm not making it up. Lying is petty anyways.

If I see it happen again, I'll endeavour to try and get back with physical proof. (As soon as I figure out how I can link a picture in these threads. I've no idea how, but suppose now I've got a reason to learn. :/ )

I do regret not getting a picture when I did see it happen, but now I'm going to make damn sure I do.

[Ogre]

Originally posted by Dread Specter:

Originally posted by Ogre:

My issue isn't with people bringing more cards than the standard minimum of 60. It's when they bring something around 300 or even 900 cards.

Apparently though, I'm full of crap despite having seen it happen on occasion, so screw what I say, I guess. :|

Lol I just wanted to understand your issue with 60+ card decks, because this is usually only a problem with mill decks.

I don't run mill decks anyways. Some occasional mill cards, sure, but I main Red primarily. I got a Red/Blue that runs Startled Awake, but that's pretty much the only mill card I have in there.

Like it's there, it helps, but it's not my go to strat.

[Malvastor]

Why would it matter if someone did bring in a 1000 card deck though? Most of the time that's just going to make it more of a pain for them to get the cards they need. And if it doesn't because they just have (and manage to draw) a really efficient method for cycling through their deck, they'd still be able to use that with a 60 card deck.

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Why would it matter if someone did bring in a 1000 card deck though? Most of the time that's just going to make it more of a pain for them to get the cards they need. And if it doesn't because they just have (and manage to draw) a really efficient method for cycling through their deck, they'd still be able to use that with a 60 card deck.

The consistency thing you're talking about is less impactful than you might expect. Unless the deck is centered around a very specific niche combo that requires 1 card with no alternatives, the difference between a 60 card deck and a 1000 card deck is less than a single percentage point, at least when talking about the probability of a playable opening hand. If anything, it might just be better to thank them for not building a boring combo deck that folds to the first interference to their plan they experience.