How long does the discover combo last?

[Captain Murphy The Villian]

The tried to "fix" cascade and discover is now just a turn 3 win lol.

[Winter Wolf]

Originally posted by 九芫一:

What exactly is the difference between cascade and discover? They seem to work the same to me.

If you don't want to cast it you can put the spell in your hand.

[GaviJa]

Originally posted by 九芫一:

What exactly is the difference between cascade and discover? They seem to work the same to me.

Cascade you can only play a spell that costs less than the first spell. With discover it can be the same mana cost. Which is why it's so much more broken because you can discover 4 times the same card in a row.

[Corey Trevor]

Some say that the combo is still going till this day.

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by Captain Murphy The Villian:

Originally posted by Soji:

gonna need to be a little more specific than just discover combo, I'm sure there's quiet a few people have found at this point.

Cast Geopolitical Appraiser
It finds either eldritch evolution or glasspool mimic, glasspool you copy the appraiser/eldritch you sac it
Find trumpting carnosaur
It will either discover into repudiate/replicate to copy the carnosaur or geopolitical to start it all over.
Repeat till you either cast 3 eldlrich then on the 4th find doomskar titan and swing for the win.

I ran into that today. WotC R&D are not very good at their jobs. It's not strong enough to win in Bo3, but it wins fast enough to Bo1 that it could dominate the format for a while.

[Namdoolb]

Originally posted by 九芫一:

What exactly is the difference between cascade and discover? They seem to work the same to me.

There are three fundamental differences:

1) Discover allows for setting a value within the ability, whereas cascade is hardwired to the mana value of the spell that has it. (So a 7 mana card doesn't have to discover for 6, it can discover for more or less depending on what the card designer wants the card to do.)

2) Discover puts the card into your hand if you don't cast it, whereas cascade puts the card on the bottom of your library.

3) Cascade is an on-cast trigger. That means cascade happens as soon as you cast the spell (and the spell that you cascade into will resolve before the original spell does).
Discover is typically either an etb trigger, or (in the case of instants & sorceries) part of the spells' resolution. It can also be found on activated & triggered abilities too (which cascade cannot).

Put that all together.... Discover is a much more flexible ability, with a lot more design space. However, due to it's position (etb trigger and/or spell resolution) it's easier to combo with.
But unlike cascade it is not resilient against countermagic: a counterspell will generally stop discover from happening, whereas the same cannot be said for cascade.

[九芫一]

Originally posted by Namdoolb:

Originally posted by 九芫一:

What exactly is the difference between cascade and discover? They seem to work the same to me.

There are three fundamental differences:

1) Discover allows you to set a value within the ability, whereas cascade is hardwired to the mana value of the spell that has it. (So a 7 mana card doesn't have to discover for 6, it can discover for more or less if you want.)

2) Discover puts the card into your hand if you don't cast it, whereas cascade puts the card on the bottom of your library.

3) Cascade is an on-cast trigger. That means cascade happens as soon as you cast the spell (and the spell that you cascade into will resolve before the original spell does).
Discover is typically either an etb trigger, or (in the case of instants & sorceries) part of the spells' resolution. It can also be found on activated & triggered abilities too (which cascade cannot).

Put that all together.... Discover is a much more flexible ability, with a lot more design space. However, due to it's position (etb trigger and/or spell resolution) it's easier to combo with.
But unlike cascade it is not resilient against countermagic: a counterspell will generally stop discover from happening, whereas the same cannot be said for cascade.

Thank you.

[Blade of Eagle]

don't know, it'll likely depend on how many will pick decks have a control/aggro with enough interaction/lock plan hunting them. I recently playing gearhulk creativity on explorer with 6 counters and 8 burns keep discover combo from working(sadly I haven't met someone concede right after I discard opus). also quiet a good time for UW control I guess.
though I will still expect a ban.

[Minmataro]

Combo decks are part of MTG. can't stop the combo? lose, if u dont like it know what those decks are and concede asap or make one yourself.

[Drakeeper]

You cross your fingers that your opponent isn't fast enough and that they rope out before finishing the combo.

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by Minmataro:

Combo decks are part of MTG.

Yes, and some of us remember Combo Winter and how much that sucked.

This particular combo might be a little to consistent and / or it might be too annoying in Bo1 on Arena.

[Merry Christmas X-Box Its Usher]

they just hinted at its banning on stream

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by Merry Christmas X-Box Its Usher:

they just hinted at its banning on stream

I've only seen it once, but if it gets banned, I won't be sad.

[Soji]

well if that turns out to be the case, ppl better get in their fun now lol

[zousss]

maaaaaan when this becomes meta that means its either gonna get banned or kill spell decks are going to become even more common

[Captain Murphy The Villian]

Originally posted by Berserkr:

So you tapped out and had no mana nor removal to kill something along that way?

Oh look you're clueless and have no idea what you're talking about. Glad wotc doesn't listen to players like you.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/december-4-2023-banned-and-restricted-announcement

One of the fastest cards banned.