can i get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mana

[Nyrue]

seriously there is something wrong with your deck shuffling algorithm i've played paper magic and rarely if ever do you go 3-4 turns without drawing a land, but every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game its 4, 5 sometimes even more turns before i draw a land

[Winter Wolf]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Berserkr:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von mwesthoff:

Bless your heart, you really believe what you think don't you.

I wish the ban would last a lot longer than 24 hours but sadly they'll be back, quite the arrogant one that lot, no reason in hell to act all superior and refer to people as stupid, oh well enjoy the quiet time while it lasts I guess

I mean it seemed like an intentional "ban me" plea. *shrugs* Netiquette ain't what it used to be lol.

[PJ]

Add 1 land: Constantly get flooded.
Remove 1 land: Constantly get droughted.
Remove 10 lands: GAS GAAS GAAAAAAAAAAAASSS

[Ulfar]

Lots of copium in here the opening hand is not random WOTC have confirmed this, two words Hand Smoothing.

[GaviJa]

Ah yes the famous shuffler. Maybe try to learn how to mulligan?

Having 1 or 2 land in your starter hand is a failure if you are not an aggro deck.

[mwesthoff]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Winter Wolf:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Berserkr:

I wish the ban would last a lot longer than 24 hours but sadly they'll be back, quite the arrogant one that lot, no reason in hell to act all superior and refer to people as stupid, oh well enjoy the quiet time while it lasts I guess

I mean it seemed like an intentional "ban me" plea. *shrugs* Netiquette ain't what it used to be lol.

Looks like they were begging, "thank you may I have another". I see this all the time on arrest videos when people think they are smarter than they really are.

If this proves anything: it is that the shuffler is rigged.

[Nute Gunray]

You don't play enough magic, guy

[Taweret]

i think mana is not rigged, why? because to test it i build land destruction deck in no ban event, if the mana draw is so rigged then deck like that should be overpowered? yet my opponent had a land drop every turn, making my deck not very effective

[Berserkr]

One opponent had a land drop every turn or this was more than one opponent? Maybe they just had a ton of land in their deck for fetches playing landfall?

[Soji]

you are the only person this has ever happened to

[Briscoletta]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Brother Alpha:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nyrue:

i'm not saying it doesnt happen i'm saying it happens way to often in arena

If you draw six cards a game, it should happen about every other game.

You are talking to someone who knows how to do the math. This is something you should have done before creating this thread.

you lack common sense. If there is an event with a probability of 1%, no one says that it cannot happen, but if that same even starts happening 20% of times each day, then the shuffler is rigged. A lot of people that study maths think that numbers are everything, but they often lack overview.

[Brother Alpha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Brother Alpha:

If you draw six cards a game, it should happen about every other game.

You are talking to someone who knows how to do the math. This is something you should have done before creating this thread.

you lack common sense.

Oh Jesus Christ.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

If there is an event with a probability of 1%, no one says that it cannot happen, but if that same even starts happening 20% of times each day, then the shuffler is rigged.

You don't know how to do the math to determine if there's a 1% chance for something to happen and you don't know the combinatorics to determine how often it should happen each day.

Drawing 4 cards without getting a land is ~13% chance of happening, not 1%.
If you draw just 6 cards in a game, then you have about a ~34% chance of getting a 4-card streak without a land EACH GAME.

So the event you think can't possibly happen 20% of the time should happen 34% of the time.

Do you see the problem here?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

A lot of people that study maths think that numbers are everything, but they often lack overview.

People who don't study math make claims that are completely ludicrous once you actually look at the math.

Again, looking at the claim made in this thread. Drawing 4 cards without getting a land will have 50% of the time, if you draw 8 cards in a single game.

[Nyrue]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Brother Alpha:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

you lack common sense.

Oh Jesus Christ.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

If there is an event with a probability of 1%, no one says that it cannot happen, but if that same even starts happening 20% of times each day, then the shuffler is rigged.

You don't know how to do the math to determine if there's a 1% chance for something to happen and you don't know the combinatorics to determine how often it should happen each day.

Drawing 4 cards without getting a land is ~13% chance of happening, not 1%.
If you draw just 6 cards in a game, then you have about a ~34% chance of getting a 4-card streak without a land EACH GAME.

So the event you think can't possibly happen 20% of the time should happen 34% of the time.

Do you see the problem here?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

A lot of people that study maths think that numbers are everything, but they often lack overview.

People who don't study math make claims that are completely ludicrous once you actually look at the math.

Again, looking at the claim made in this thread. Drawing 4 cards without getting a land will have 50% of the time, if you draw 8 cards in a single game.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Brother Alpha:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

you lack common sense.

Oh Jesus Christ.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

If there is an event with a probability of 1%, no one says that it cannot happen, but if that same even starts happening 20% of times each day, then the shuffler is rigged.

You don't know how to do the math to determine if there's a 1% chance for something to happen and you don't know the combinatorics to determine how often it should happen each day.

Drawing 4 cards without getting a land is ~13% chance of happening, not 1%.
If you draw just 6 cards in a game, then you have about a ~34% chance of getting a 4-card streak without a land EACH GAME.

So the event you think can't possibly happen 20% of the time should happen 34% of the time.

Do you see the problem here?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

A lot of people that study maths think that numbers are everything, but they often lack overview.

People who don't study math make claims that are completely ludicrous once you actually look at the math.

Again, looking at the claim made in this thread. Drawing 4 cards without getting a land will have 50% of the time, if you draw 8 cards in a single game.

maybe you should learn more math, you have a 40% chance of drawing a land when playing in a standard 60 card deck with a 24 mana curve, thats 40% per each single draw, as you continue to draw nonland cards that percentage shifts if i draw, assuming you have an opening hand with 4 nonland cards and 3 land cards the odds that your first draw will be a land is still about 40% and it goes up about 2% every turn you don't draw a land, now the odds of this happening game after game is a whole different equation

i've been playing magic for years tabletop and arena, and there is something wrong with the shuffling algorithm in this game, i just had 6 draws in a row across 3 games with a starting hand of 2 mana in everyone, the odds of that happening are insignificant

[DontMisunderstand]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nyrue:

maybe you should learn more math, you have a 40% chance of drawing a land when playing in a standard 60 card deck with a 24 mana curve, thats 40% per each single draw, as you continue to draw nonland cards that percentage shifts if i draw, assuming you have an opening hand with 4 nonland cards and 3 land cards the odds that your first draw will be a land is still about 40% and it goes up about 2% every turn you don't draw a land, now the odds of this happening game after game is a whole different equation

This just isn't how math works at all. I can understand how you came up with those numbers, but you're just not applying the correct formula. If you want to better understand the math, look up the term "hypergeometric distribution". That should get you where you want to go, if you do genuinely want to know the real answer here.

[Briscoletta]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Brother Alpha:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

you lack common sense.

Oh Jesus Christ.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

If there is an event with a probability of 1%, no one says that it cannot happen, but if that same even starts happening 20% of times each day, then the shuffler is rigged.

You don't know how to do the math to determine if there's a 1% chance for something to happen and you don't know the combinatorics to determine how often it should happen each day.

Drawing 4 cards without getting a land is ~13% chance of happening, not 1%.
If you draw just 6 cards in a game, then you have about a ~34% chance of getting a 4-card streak without a land EACH GAME.

So the event you think can't possibly happen 20% of the time should happen 34% of the time.

Do you see the problem here?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Briscoletta:

A lot of people that study maths think that numbers are everything, but they often lack overview.

People who don't study math make claims that are completely ludicrous once you actually look at the math.

Again, looking at the claim made in this thread. Drawing 4 cards without getting a land will have 50% of the time, if you draw 8 cards in a single game.

this is the proof that you lack overview. I made a general statement, not regarding the precise issue of this discussion, and you went on a rampage.

[Brother Alpha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nyrue:

i've been playing magic for years tabletop and arena, and there is something wrong with the shuffling algorithm in this game,

I've been playing paper magic since Alpha and Arena since the closed Beta.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nyrue:

i just had 6 draws in a row across 3 games with a starting hand of 2 mana in everyone, the odds of that happening are insignificant

Sigh... The odds of having 2 or fewer lands in your starting 7 with 24 lands is 41.4%. Doing it 6 draws in a row is 0.49%. That's rare, but it is something happening to about 60 people right now.

Is it that hard to do the math before making your claims?