Sheoldred, The Apocalypse is ruining Alchemy.

[YaBoiAlien]

(Wilds of Eldraine Block) Imagine creating a mono black 4 drop, whos a 4/5 with the most busted effect for the block. "Everytime you draw a card, gain 2 life. When the opponent draws a card, they lose 2 life." WOTC can get f*****. Mono Black is the only valid deck in Alchemy format right now and its straight busted. Sheoldred should cost 6 mana easily or cop a ban. This is ridiculous. I'll play Hearthstone until she gets fixed.

[Berserkr]

I'd love to see it get nerfed to 3 toughness, I mean black has spells to get it back from the graveyard regardless, it's not like changing the digital version is gonna ruin anyone's $80 paper copies

[ZAP]

Stopped running my Griselbrand/Sheoldred/Vito reanimator deck and didn't put it in my 250-card Highlander deck.

For now she is dead to me 😐

[DontMisunderstand]

Have you considered just running ways to handle enemies gaining life? Or ways to not die to damage yourself? Sheoldred represents a turn 14 win for your opponent if you have creatures to block with and no life gain. Do you honestly think a turn 14 win is too aggressively costed?

Alternatively, you could play anything that's not mono-red to just remove Sheoldred from the field entirely... or play a mono-red deck that simply outruns Sheoldred. Or the many mono-red spells that just kill Sheoldred. Or the other mono-red spells that increase the damage of your mono-red spells, thus increasing the number of answers you have to Sheoldred in the process.

[Berserkr]

Turn 14? If Shelly is all they play the whole game and you have a ton of blockers to take no combat dmg sure, pair it with a few other cards(if you have them/draw them/play them) and you die pretty fast if you have no lifegain, way before turn 14

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Berserkr:

Turn 14? If Shelly is all they play the whole game and you have a ton of blockers to take no combat dmg sure, pair it with a few other cards(if you have them/draw them/play them) and you die pretty fast if you have no lifegain, way before turn 14

Right, but that's true of everything, not just Sheoldred. And a lot of things it's more true of than Sheoldred. And that's mainly my point here. Every deck can be expected to have some form of counterplay to Sheoldred without it negatively affecting viability in other matchups, and that's a good sign that the card is balanced. Compare that even to something like Elesh Norn, who both has fewer potential outs and has a more impactful on-field ability, for the same mana cost, while also having 5 toughness. And it has vigilance, so it can attack and block instead of needing to choose between offense and defense.

That's just an example though. Point is, Sheoldred's pretty middle of the road as far as bombs go. Far from problematic.

[Soji]

Look man i love hearthstone but are we really gonna pretend that game with as much mana cheat as its had for years isn't experiencing its own set of issues fundamentally? Really a pick your poison type of situation where you deal with your preferred way to die.

[Berserkr]

Originally posted by Soji:

Look man i love hearthstone but are we really gonna pretend that game with as much mana cheat as its had for years isn't experiencing its own set of issues fundamentally? Really a pick your poison type of situation where you deal with your preferred way to die.

I tried Hearthstone and I quit pretty fast honestly one of the reasons I didn't like it was the everyone gets a resource and no one gets resource screwed

[(￣ー￣)]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

That's just an example though. Point is, Sheoldred's pretty middle of the road as far as bombs go. Far from problematic.

You used a really crappy point about "Turn 14" then tried to run away from it?

Got it.

[Winter Wolf]

Originally posted by Berserkr:

Originally posted by Soji:

Look man i love hearthstone but are we really gonna pretend that game with as much mana cheat as its had for years isn't experiencing its own set of issues fundamentally? Really a pick your poison type of situation where you deal with your preferred way to die.

I tried Hearthstone and I quit pretty fast honestly one of the reasons I didn't like it was the everyone gets a resource and no one gets resource screwed

Funny I liked that about HS. The over the top everyone has the highest possible rarities but me because my Decks were all sent to the classic(wild?) bin, kind of made it less appealing. That and Blizzard is not a company I care for. D2 LOD was their peak imho.

[Berserkr]

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

Originally posted by Berserkr:

I tried Hearthstone and I quit pretty fast honestly one of the reasons I didn't like it was the everyone gets a resource and no one gets resource screwed

Funny I liked that about HS. The over the top everyone has the highest possible rarities but me because my Decks were all sent to the classic(wild?) bin, kind of made it less appealing. That and Blizzard is not a company I care for. D2 LOD was their peak imho.

Yeah I really don't have time nor the patience for a 3rd card game lol, but Hearthstone just never appealed to me, but I quit pretty fast so who knows if I had stuck it out

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by (￣ー￣):

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

That's just an example though. Point is, Sheoldred's pretty middle of the road as far as bombs go. Far from problematic.

You used a really crappy point about "Turn 14" then tried to run away from it?

Got it.

No, I was correct about it. Guess what, if you don't have a way to stop creatures from attacking you, you lose. Period. And Sheoldred is 4 mana, meaning it's not coming down early enough to be too aggressive with. The "crappy point" you're talking about is just a fact that proves your stance incorrect.

[Nuggs]

well your first problem is youre playing alchemy. easily the worst format. Second off, why not just play decks that deal with sheoldred. Which is quite literally every other color than red. Im gonna take a wild guess that youre a mono red player. Cuz those are really the only people that cry about sheoldred.

Sheoldred is an annoying card that makes you sigh when you see it at best. If youre also playing anything with black, boom you got plenty of exile and removal. Hell just play a black white deck now you got removal and exile for days that makes sheoldred players concede. Or play golgari or mono green. you can just play cratures with death touch and have spells that make your death touch creatures ping and kill sheoldred. Blue has plenty of counter spells that poop on sheoldred. Even red has cards that can deal with sheoldred though red has to do more work than literally every other color.

Sheoldred really doesnt need a ban. shes exile and removal fodder. I play sheoldred in my decks. Not even as a win con. do you know how often shes actually usefull as a card in the current meta? not very, its literally there just to be annoying and force players to waste their removal or exile on. Im lucky if my opponent lets her sit on the board for more than two turns.

[rygzengrho]

Let noobs feel like they have any skill, let them play her for some time

[Nevron]

What's funny is when you opponent plays a Howling Mine and then on your turn you play a Sheoldred. I've never seen anyone quit so fast.

[PJ]

I remember one time my opponent played Sheoldred and I removed it on my turn before I had drawn a card and they conceded. I think it's a sign of a healthy card when everyone in sight starts racing to see who can concede first when it hits the table.