To much slow playing.

[Ezra]

If you are taking longer then 10 seconds to decide on an opening hand or if you are taking more then 60 seconds to fetch a land and move through the phases... YOU ARE A BAD MAGIC PLAYER.

The last time I saw someone play Turbofart's or Mill in a Paper magic event Locals or Organized was when Revilark was still in Standard during Lorwyn Block.
It's not a good approach to the game outside of Kitchen Table Magic.

I don't want to stretch my games out past 4-6 turns to accommodate something that will just loose in the end because they failed to realize at a core level that the base colors in magic are representative of phases and moments in nature.

Though stagnation exists in nature it often leads to pestilence and extinction and focusing in on disrupting an opponent to the point where your only clause for Victory is your opponent not winning is not optimal.

But I am sure that's obvious to most players who willingly choose to play Mill or Turbofarts. Because if they wanted to "Win" or "Actually Play" vs the Trolling they are doing they'd play a Combo Variant.

Similar to Turbofart's or Mill in the fact that it does minimal opponent interactions it just sits there and waits disrupts when needed casting Cantrips and Wishes until they have what they need. Unlike the other's though Combo top 8's often with the other viable archtypes/Primers Aggro, Burn, Control, Mid-range, Tribal Tempo (Goblins/Merforlk/Elves for instance)

[Snoot Boops]

Originally posted by Ezra:

Originally posted by ＯＮＹＸ:

i noticed that through a discord channel i'm in that people will stream and then have others that are far better, backseat game the entire match for the person streaming on discord. which causes the timer to just run and run and run and run down on each of their turns until a choice is made for them.

its not exactly what i would say is fair play. it's basically a 2v1 and i see it as a form of cheating. especially if that deck was built for you by the back seat gamer and they know it inside out and inside in and backwards and forwards and you as the player are at least halfway competent in understanding how the game works and the functions of your cards.

Holy Sh!t that's wild.

"Let me play this game while on discord so someone can hold my hand through each action versus learning how to play the game myself."

That's a huge leap even beyond RTFC (Read the F%ck!ng card) sleeves. Now I'm going to need PTFG (Play the F%ck!ng game) sleeves.

yeah i dont agree with it but it's whatever. i'll watch and not say anything. its crazy. dude went from bronze rank in historic to like number 200 something in mythic rank by this 1 guy playing the game for him with a deck he told him to put together over discord streaming. it's not the only egregious case i've seen or noticed. even when i'm playing agasint someone, at times it's totally obvious i'm playing against someone that has no idea what they're doing. then the pause timer pops up and suddenly i'm playing against a magic god. its totally obvious they're cheating by streaming with a back seat gamer telling them what cards to play and when to play them.

[ZAP]

Maybe it's that. It's clear people are explaining or trying to understand things in game and anyone watching a MTGA stream would probably know enough about the game not to need a 45 second flicker fest, Morgan Freeman monologue thing. Get emulated and emoted, wannabe camgod.

[Ezra]

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

"Playing the game, Explains the game"?

Not really. Being told what to do is not using your own brain
or critical thinking / Problem solving skills.

Their are plenty of other games for people to be a "donking" around in. If you don't want to put in the effort to read a few lines of text (available in nine localizations) and think for one's self.

[Berserkr]

You figure the person would have got the hang of the deck around platinum or diamond lol

[Ezra]

Originally posted by Berserkr:

You figure the person would have got the hang of the deck around platinum or diamond lol

Right!

[gothferret22]

When in doubt, report them. The Arena team will look at how the game went and take appropriate action.

[Winter Wolf]

Originally posted by Ezra:

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

"Playing the game, Explains the game"?

Not really. Being told what to do is not using your own brain
or critical thinking / Problem solving skills.

Their are plenty of other games for people to be a "donking" around in. If you don't want to put in the effort to read a few lines of text (available in nine localizations) and think for one's self.

This was a reference to "reading the card explains the card" a meme about people not reading the card.

[Ezra]

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

Originally posted by Ezra:

Not really. Being told what to do is not using your own brain
or critical thinking / Problem solving skills.

Their are plenty of other games for people to be a "donking" around in. If you don't want to put in the effort to read a few lines of text (available in nine localizations) and think for one's self.

This was a reference to "reading the card explains the card" a meme about people not reading the card.

I see, Not familiar with that one.

Real tired of my opponents sand bagging mulligan's and the first land of the game as they talk to all the cronies on discord and play keep it or ship it and why.

[Berserkr]

Originally posted by gothferret22:

When in doubt, report them. The Arena team will look at how the game went and take appropriate action.

You really think they're looking at those surveys?

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Berserkr:

You figure the person would have got the hang of the deck around platinum or diamond lol

Some people's brains work faster than others. This doesn't mean we shouldn't allow the slower people to play the game too. We just need to figure out a way to determine whether the slow play is malicious or not, and then we could approach the problem. Interestingly, that approach is actually easier than evaluating individual examples, because it means examining that player's general play pattern. If they're slow in EVERY game, that's probably not malicious, but if they're only slow in SOME games that's more likely to just be poor sportsmanship.

[Snoot Boops]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Originally posted by Berserkr:

You figure the person would have got the hang of the deck around platinum or diamond lol

Some people's brains work faster than others. This doesn't mean we shouldn't allow the slower people to play the game too. We just need to figure out a way to determine whether the slow play is malicious or not, and then we could approach the problem. Interestingly, that approach is actually easier than evaluating individual examples, because it means examining that player's general play pattern. If they're slow in EVERY game, that's probably not malicious, but if they're only slow in SOME games that's more likely to just be poor sportsmanship.

it doesn't really take any real thought into it other than seeing what they're doing to determine if it's intentional or not. if the game is going real smooth and everyone is taking their turns as intended and not burning down the timer on every single turn and then suddenly when they start to think they've lost the game and then start acting childish by burning down the timer on every turn they have and when it's time to play your cards they do the exact same thing and make playing even a single card take 30 seconds or more for every single card you play, then it's obvious they're doing it on purpose. especially if they pull a card on their turn where they think it will help them, they start getting smug and doing stupid things and making bad plays because they have it in their head they won so the game can then continue on as normal again. but as soon as they see they didn't then they drag the game again.

if they're slow then they're slow. i stay out of doing alchemy matches for that reason cause the people who are still learning the game are there in alchemy. i'm just tryin to get a few matches in. not sit in 1 match for 2 hours because of someone who wants to act like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ baby.

[Ezra]

Originally posted by ＯＮＹＸ:

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Some people's brains work faster than others. This doesn't mean we shouldn't allow the slower people to play the game too. We just need to figure out a way to determine whether the slow play is malicious or not, and then we could approach the problem. Interestingly, that approach is actually easier than evaluating individual examples, because it means examining that player's general play pattern. If they're slow in EVERY game, that's probably not malicious, but if they're only slow in SOME games that's more likely to just be poor sportsmanship.

it doesn't really take any real thought into it other than seeing what they're doing to determine if it's intentional or not. if the game is going real smooth and everyone is taking their turns as intended and not burning down the timer on every single turn and then suddenly when they start to think they've lost the game and then start acting childish by burning down the timer on every turn they have and when it's time to play your cards they do the exact same thing and make playing even a single card take 30 seconds or more for every single card you play, then it's obvious they're doing it on purpose. especially if they pull a card on their turn where they think it will help them, they start getting smug and doing stupid things and making bad plays because they have it in their head they won so the game can then continue on as normal again. but as soon as they see they didn't then they drag the game again.

if they're slow then they're slow. i stay out of doing alchemy matches for that reason cause the people who are still learning the game are there in alchemy. i'm just tryin to get a few matches in. not sit in 1 match for 2 hours because of someone who wants to act like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ baby.

Exactly this. Or upon reaching the unfavorable game state they make sure to drop a fetch or orb and Sandbag on it for every single possible interaction or card played. It's pretty wild TBH. You would not see that kind of game play person to person either casually at the kitchen table or local game store or at an Event, You'd probably be asked not to play with the group again for casuals, And at an event it may begin with a warning or 2 but will will rapidly evolve from their. Due to it not being just your own time you are wasting but everyone in the Bracket and all present judges. So why have an option for scum-bag magic in arena?

Maybe Scum-Bag magic needs it's own Q
With deck construction limits
Of at least 20 instants 12 fetches.
a sub-rule that says each time a card is played pause the game state, to click this link to launch an external browser which will read the Card text and all DCI - Rulings
from the Gatherer page present for each player with a Prompt to then place it on the stack after each player has the card dictated to them from the external client.
Then assume priority and resume the game state so they can wait around some more for the timer to start and then finally interact with the card or the board-state so each turn is like a medium pulp-fiction Fantasy Adventure novel in time it takes to play a single one.

[Snoot Boops]

Originally posted by Ezra:

Exactly this. Or upon reaching the unfavorable game state they make sure to drop a fetch or orb and Sandbag on it for every single possible interaction or card played. It's pretty wild TBH. You would not see that kind of game play person to person either casually at the kitchen table or local game store or at an Event, You'd probably be asked not to play with the group again for casuals, And at an event it may begin with a warning or 2 but will will rapidly evolve from their. Due to it not being just your own time you are wasting but everyone in the Bracket and all present judges. So why have an option for scum-bag magic in arena?

i made a post about this exact thing like a week ago and said if someone was doing this type of ♥♥♥♥ in real life i'd punch them in the throat for it. some butthurt kid seen he got called out for being a piece of ♥♥♥♥ for playing this way and reported me to steam for "name and shame." he had only himself to blame for being on that list. not my fault. its real easy to just take the loss and move on instead of dragging a 5 minute match out into 2 hours. take your turn or concede if you think you lost. quit being an annoying slimy piece of ♥♥♥♥ crybaby. i have no control over the shuffler or what's in your hand. same as i have no control over what's in my hand.

in fact i just got off the game because in 10 matches in a row the game wanted to totally ♥♥♥♥ me over while handing the entire game to the opponent on a diamond encrusted platter. legit gave me lands for cards i couldn't even play from my hand. 5 color deck. had green and blues in my hand and was given ONLY white, red and black in my starting hand and for the next 6 draws. 10 games in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ row. its funny since i swapped to my mono black kill deck the game would never match me with anyone. but i get an instant pair with my multi color deck. the game is legit rigged. i just got off the game. no point wasting someone elses time though.