To much slow playing.

[Ezra]

If you are taking longer then 10 seconds to decide on an opening hand or if you are taking more then 60 seconds to fetch a land and move through the phases... YOU ARE A BAD MAGIC PLAYER.

The last time I saw someone play Turbofart's or Mill in a Paper magic event Locals or Organized was when Revilark was still in Standard during Lorwyn Block.
It's not a good approach to the game outside of Kitchen Table Magic.

I don't want to stretch my games out past 4-6 turns to accommodate something that will just loose in the end because they failed to realize at a core level that the base colors in magic are representative of phases and moments in nature.

Though stagnation exists in nature it often leads to pestilence and extinction and focusing in on disrupting an opponent to the point where your only clause for Victory is your opponent not winning is not optimal.

But I am sure that's obvious to most players who willingly choose to play Mill or Turbofarts. Because if they wanted to "Win" or "Actually Play" vs the Trolling they are doing they'd play a Combo Variant.

Similar to Turbofart's or Mill in the fact that it does minimal opponent interactions it just sits there and waits disrupts when needed casting Cantrips and Wishes until they have what they need. Unlike the other's though Combo top 8's often with the other viable archtypes/Primers Aggro, Burn, Control, Mid-range, Tribal Tempo (Goblins/Merforlk/Elves for instance)

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por DontMisunderstand:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

AND I AM TELLING YOU I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH A SEARCH FUNCTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER GROW UP. In any case opponent using one or myself. WHEN PEOPLE USE IT TO BURN DOWN THE TIMER IS THE PROBLEM.

And I'm telling you that regardless of your experience, it is a simple fact that the search function does lag the game out for a very large number of players, even ones with extremely good cpus and gpus, and with good connections. That is why people are taking so long with the search function. And as such, you are complaining about your opponents when it is not them doing the thing that is upsetting you.

I have never once had lag when using the search function on EITHER a PC a MAC or a SMART PHONE. For the Umpteenth time. The only time someone has failed to find is when I've had Lethal on board or active on the stack waiting resolution and they might crack a fetch to go find a land only for them to wait around for the timer to totally burn down decide to fail to find and then let damage resolve.

[DontMisunderstand]

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

Publicado originalmente por DontMisunderstand:

And I'm telling you that regardless of your experience, it is a simple fact that the search function does lag the game out for a very large number of players, even ones with extremely good cpus and gpus, and with good connections. That is why people are taking so long with the search function. And as such, you are complaining about your opponents when it is not them doing the thing that is upsetting you.

I have never once had lag when using the search function on EITHER a PC a MAC or a SMART PHONE. For the Umpteenth time. The only time someone has failed to find is when I've had Lethal on board or active on the stack waiting resolution and they might crack a fetch to go find a land only for them to wait around for the timer to totally burn down decide to fail to find and then let damage resolve.

And again, your response is not relevant to the topic at hand. At no point did anybody but you suggest that "failing to find" was happening. Learn to listen.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por DontMisunderstand:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

I have never once had lag when using the search function on EITHER a PC a MAC or a SMART PHONE. For the Umpteenth time. The only time someone has failed to find is when I've had Lethal on board or active on the stack waiting resolution and they might crack a fetch to go find a land only for them to wait around for the timer to totally burn down decide to fail to find and then let damage resolve.

And again, your response is not relevant to the topic at hand. At no point did anybody but you suggest that "failing to find" was happening. Learn to listen.

This is my thread. Did you not read my OP. It's about slow playing in ranked formats.
For no reason.

As stated here Page 1 post 1.

"To much slow playing.
If you are taking longer then 10 seconds to decide on an opening hand or if you are taking more then 60 seconds to fetch a land and move through the phases... YOU ARE A BAD MAGIC PLAYER.

The last time I saw someone play Turbofart's or Mill in a Paper magic event Locals or Organized was when Revilark was still in Standard during Lorwyn Block.
It's not a good approach to the game outside of Kitchen Table Magic.

I don't want to stretch my games out past 4-6 turns to accommodate something that will just loose in the end because they failed to realize at a core level that the base colors in magic are representative of phases and moments in nature.

Though stagnation exists in nature it often leads to pestilence and extinction and focusing in on disrupting an opponent to the point where your only clause for Victory is your opponent not winning is not optimal.

But I am sure that's obvious to most players who willingly choose to play Mill or Turbofarts. Because if they wanted to "Win" or "Actually Play" vs the Trolling they are doing they'd play a Combo Variant.

Similar to Turbofart's or Mill in the fact that it does minimal opponent interactions it just sits there and waits disrupts when needed casting Cantrips and Wishes until they have what they need. Unlike the other's though Combo top 8's often with the other viable archtypes/Primers Aggro, Burn, Control, Mid-range, Tribal Tempo (Goblins/Merforlk/Elves for instance)"

If you think I am talking about casual and not ranked or competitive you are also a part of the problem. Please seek a way to broaden your horizon so you can pick up on context clues. Also Nice Privacy settings. I can see why.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por DontMisunderstand:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

I have never once had lag when using the search function on EITHER a PC a MAC or a SMART PHONE. For the Umpteenth time. The only time someone has failed to find is when I've had Lethal on board or active on the stack waiting resolution and they might crack a fetch to go find a land only for them to wait around for the timer to totally burn down decide to fail to find and then let damage resolve.

And again, your response is not relevant to the topic at hand. At no point did anybody but you suggest that "failing to find" was happening. Learn to listen.

I'm glad you are having trouble in your Isolated part of the world with a backwards connection on a Potato-PC. But I Have never experience a search mechanic not being
resolved unless they choose to fail to find as a way to stall. I've even played this
application (That's right it's mobile optimized and low resource optimized) on an Intel Celron 2 with 8GB of DDR2 and a Nvidia 8800 GTS on a sub-gigabit connection, This computers specs is over 20+ years old, It manages search functions just fine.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por DontMisunderstand:

The game itself is the problem with library search effects taking a long time to resolve. You shouldn't blame your opponents for things they may have no control over.

That being said, if you don't want to play the game, then it's a better use of your time, and the time of others, to simply not queue. If you're reliably winning turn 4-5, you've gotten astronomically improbable luck in your favor. Yes, even non-aggro decks can get a turn 6 win with a godlike hand against an opponent who bricked, but notably those aren't actual games happening. Simple mathematics dictates that 14% of the time a mathematically optimized aggro deck won't even have the lands required to get a turn 6 win against an opponent who did nothing. I would hope the fact that this is a best case scenario for reliable fast wins is apparent enough that I don't have to explain the odds only get worse from there. All of this to say that, if you get upset when a match goes longer than turn 6, you just shouldn't queue, because you actively do not want to play the game at all. And that's just disrespectful to your opponent who may actually want to play.

You can tell this person has never played a paper version of Magic the Gathering in their entire Lives because of their poor take on game mechanics. This persons never Piloted Hulk-Flash and won on Turn 0 after Mulligans were resolved but before lands were played.

Let me go ahead and break it down even further for ya. I own several legacy and Vintage decks. I mess around with modern sometimes, Sometimes if I like the theme I might even return to standard to play things other then competitive events. But usually stick to Eternal formats due to card-pool and variation there the "Big Brain" "Big Wallet" Formats.

If you can't build an aggro deck that wins before turn 6 you've lost the ball on deck construction. Let me give you a quick example if I jam in 22 forests 8 mana dorks 16 lords 4 craterhoofs and 4 chord's of calling and 6 Cantrips for 60 and your board is going to be 15 cards that deal with Artifacts Enchantments and Flyers doesnt matter what you use keep the board under 3 CMC across all 15 cards. Nothing Main deck other then Craterhoof should go above 4 CMC. Now in a Bo3 how many times am I going to see Craterhoof? You know what don't bother I will, It's more then 50% of the time it's like it really does win 70% of the time, 7 out of every 10 matches. This is the deck I introduce people into Eternal with. Most people are not going to be able to handle Ad Nauseam Tendrils, The Epic Storm or Mind's Desire Storm or my control variants based around Counter-Balance, Stifle, Trickbind, Voidslime, Thoughtseize, Hym to Tourach, Force of Will, Sensei's Divining Top, JTMS, Brainstorm, Ponder, Vendilion Clique, Dark Confidant, Deathrite Shaman, Vampire Hexmage, Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth a bunch of dual's and some fetches. Obviously some of these are not supported on arena 100% yet. I just hope this puts perspective on the type of Magic I am accustomed to. Having seen the game hit the Market back in '93, And Having played it at local FNM's since Invasion block and having done larger events since 10th edition when they decided to add Black Borders to core set cards not just block set cards.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por DontMisunderstand:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

I have never once had lag when using the search function on EITHER a PC a MAC or a SMART PHONE. For the Umpteenth time. The only time someone has failed to find is when I've had Lethal on board or active on the stack waiting resolution and they might crack a fetch to go find a land only for them to wait around for the timer to totally burn down decide to fail to find and then let damage resolve.

And again, your response is not relevant to the topic at hand. At no point did anybody but you suggest that "failing to find" was happening. Learn to listen.

Here's a really good example of how I know search mechanics are not the problem until someone abuses them. You can see the player of Hulk-Flash resolve their mulligan and so does their opponent who chooses to play first, Then the hulk-flash player resolves Gemstone Caverns Triggered ability and chooses to hold priority to tap that land for mana and cast an instant to proceed to combo off. It take about 18 seconds for them to tutor up the whole board state. This video is from over a 16 years ago when DSL and 56.6Kbps Dial up where still around. To put that in perspective Wrath of the Lich king was not even out yet and the Pyro Update for TF2 still had not been released.

https://youtu.be/HF1M3cjkJmo?si=2yvnzrDND8mimDqA

[mwesthoff]

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

Publicado originalmente por Minmataro:

If i just made the deck and im learning to use it im going to play slow. Idc. I need to read the cards. Its not like im doing this in ranked. Its casual queue for a reason.

If you need to still read your cards in Ranked you need to get out of ranked.
Your feelings seem to chafe easily. Maybe it's time to act a bit older then your
shoe size?

Did you even read what Minmataro said? Your name calling and selective understanding reminds me of one of those Karen videos on youtube. You are like one step away from demanding to talk to the manager.

[Spendiggity]

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

If you are taking longer then 10 seconds to decide on an opening hand or if you are taking more then 60 seconds to fetch a land and move through the phases... YOU ARE A BAD MAGIC PLAYER.

The last time I saw someone play Turbofart's or Mill in a Paper magic event Locals or Organized was when Revilark was still in Standard during Lorwyn Block.
It's not a good approach to the game outside of Kitchen Table Magic.

I don't want to stretch my games out past 4-6 turns to accommodate something that will just loose in the end because they failed to realize at a core level that the base colors in magic are representative of phases and moments in nature.

Though stagnation exists in nature it often leads to pestilence and extinction and focusing in on disrupting an opponent to the point where your only clause for Victory is your opponent not winning is not optimal.

But I am sure that's obvious to most players who willingly choose to play Mill or Turbofarts. Because if they wanted to "Win" or "Actually Play" vs the Trolling they are doing they'd play a Combo Variant.

Similar to Turbofart's or Mill in the fact that it does minimal opponent interactions it just sits there and waits disrupts when needed casting Cantrips and Wishes until they have what they need. Unlike the other's though Combo top 8's often with the other viable archtypes/Primers Aggro, Burn, Control, Mid-range, Tribal Tempo (Goblins/Merforlk/Elves for instance)

Calm down, champ.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

If you need to still read your cards in Ranked you need to get out of ranked.
Your feelings seem to chafe easily. Maybe it's time to act a bit older then your
shoe size?

Did you even read what Minmataro said? Your name calling and selective understanding reminds me of one of those Karen videos on youtube. You are like one step away from demanding to talk to the manager.

I saw that. And they continued to post there none sense takes even after
I clarified that my post was in regards to Ranked and competitive magic.
It is not my fault they can't read the OP and realize based on context clues
It's not about them or the casuals.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

If you need to still read your cards in Ranked you need to get out of ranked.
Your feelings seem to chafe easily. Maybe it's time to act a bit older then your
shoe size?

Did you even read what Minmataro said? Your name calling and selective understanding reminds me of one of those Karen videos on youtube. You are like one step away from demanding to talk to the manager.

You to can enjoy the block as you did not take the time to scroll through the thread and read the posts as they unfolded. All these Hurt fee-fee casuals that need on screen narration or other Help-tools / training wheels is crazy, Like RTFC and remember what it does and what you should be doing with it.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por Spendiggity:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

If you are taking longer then 10 seconds to decide on an opening hand or if you are taking more then 60 seconds to fetch a land and move through the phases... YOU ARE A BAD MAGIC PLAYER.

The last time I saw someone play Turbofart's or Mill in a Paper magic event Locals or Organized was when Revilark was still in Standard during Lorwyn Block.
It's not a good approach to the game outside of Kitchen Table Magic.

I don't want to stretch my games out past 4-6 turns to accommodate something that will just loose in the end because they failed to realize at a core level that the base colors in magic are representative of phases and moments in nature.

Though stagnation exists in nature it often leads to pestilence and extinction and focusing in on disrupting an opponent to the point where your only clause for Victory is your opponent not winning is not optimal.

But I am sure that's obvious to most players who willingly choose to play Mill or Turbofarts. Because if they wanted to "Win" or "Actually Play" vs the Trolling they are doing they'd play a Combo Variant.

Similar to Turbofart's or Mill in the fact that it does minimal opponent interactions it just sits there and waits disrupts when needed casting Cantrips and Wishes until they have what they need. Unlike the other's though Combo top 8's often with the other viable archtypes/Primers Aggro, Burn, Control, Mid-range, Tribal Tempo (Goblins/Merforlk/Elves for instance)

Calm down, champ.

I'm calm, Just stating the obvious. The caps are for satire.
I stopped caring to much about MTG awhile ago.
I just grind ranked into Mythic #200 or better in constructed formats now for the Lulz,
As I juggle tasks in other games. Sometimes go into a paper magic event.
But usually attend them to find vendors to get a solid price on singles as I sell off before Wizards does away with the "Do Not Reprint" list.
I might move my collection into Disney Lorcana.
Even though mostly Children and young teens play it ATM, At least they can read and comprehend.

[mwesthoff]

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

Did you even read what Minmataro said? Your name calling and selective understanding reminds me of one of those Karen videos on youtube. You are like one step away from demanding to talk to the manager.

You to can enjoy the block as you did not take the time to scroll through the thread and read the posts as they unfolded. All these Hurt fee-fee casuals that need on screen narration or other Help-tools / training wheels is crazy, Like RTFC and remember what it does and what you should be doing with it.

Good, you won't have to bother the manager trying to get me blocked for no reason then.

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

Publicado originalmente por Raitoningu Hayai:

You to can enjoy the block as you did not take the time to scroll through the thread and read the posts as they unfolded. All these Hurt fee-fee casuals that need on screen narration or other Help-tools / training wheels is crazy, Like RTFC and remember what it does and what you should be doing with it.

Good, you won't have to bother the manager trying to get me blocked for no reason then.

No I blocked you. Because your profile is Private and your antagonistic, And don't pick up on things very quickly. So only Passive aggressive people are like that and I'd care not to deal with them, Most know better to attempt so in public and just go full Passive.

[deadPan]

hey you know some people just need a bit of time to read three their cards and understand how they interact. you really mad at waiting an extra 12 seconds? jesus christ

[Ezra]

Publicado originalmente por deadPan:

hey you know some people just need a bit of time to read three their cards and understand how they interact. you really mad at waiting an extra 12 seconds? jesus christ

You need to RTFC (Read the F*cking Card, for those that don't know) while making the deck and remember what they do and how you should interact with other cards when possible in a ranked environment. How you going to read the same card every single time when playing a control variant for instance? Can you really not remember that your 1 and 2 CMC (Converted Mana Cost for those that dont know) blue spells either counter creatures or force a tax on an opponent, Or if you are aggro can you really not remember what your 1 CMC dorks 2 CMC bears and 3-5 CMC mid beat sticks and finishers do? Or if you are playing Mono Red burn do you really need to keep reading that paying 1 red mana is going to wind up dealing 2-3 damage? Or if you've assembled a combo deck can you really not remember your combo interaction and how to create that board state? Maybe you need to go into AI-Bot training learn the game then play some casual queue and then from there decide if you want to actually play ranked queue.