Magic: The Gathering Arena

Magic: The Gathering Arena

neo_bpm 2023 年 5 月 26 日 上午 7:46
two headed giant mode, when?
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Kakashi69 2024 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:40 
引用自 loon_93
引用自 Kakashi69

you think more people would quit then new ones would flock to the game?

I don't think there is nearly the demand for 2HG that folks on this forums think there is. Having a format available on one platform, but not another is an absolute mess from a PR standpoint. I don't think Hasbro/WotC can justify it well enough to satisfy the playerbase.

And this is all assuming that Arena itself (PC or not) could even handle 2HG. They may need a whole new client for it as far as we know. I doubt that it is something you can just easily patch in.

All-in-all I don't think it is worth the effort or investment to do it. If MTGO couldn't keep it on their platform, then why would Arena want it?

so people who would like to play and enjoy this format should bascily go F themselves?
neo_bpm 2024 年 2 月 23 日 下午 10:48 
引用自 Kakashi69
引用自 loon_93

I don't think there is nearly the demand for 2HG that folks on this forums think there is. Having a format available on one platform, but not another is an absolute mess from a PR standpoint. I don't think Hasbro/WotC can justify it well enough to satisfy the playerbase.

And this is all assuming that Arena itself (PC or not) could even handle 2HG. They may need a whole new client for it as far as we know. I doubt that it is something you can just easily patch in.

All-in-all I don't think it is worth the effort or investment to do it. If MTGO couldn't keep it on their platform, then why would Arena want it?

so people who would like to play and enjoy this format should bascily go F themselves?

Yes, wellcome to MTGA.
Winter Wolf 2024 年 2 月 24 日 上午 7:14 
引用自 loon_93
引用自 Kakashi69

you think more people would quit then new ones would flock to the game?

I don't think there is nearly the demand for 2HG that folks on this forums think there is. Having a format available on one platform, but not another is an absolute mess from a PR standpoint. I don't think Hasbro/WotC can justify it well enough to satisfy the playerbase.

And this is all assuming that Arena itself (PC or not) could even handle 2HG. They may need a whole new client for it as far as we know. I doubt that it is something you can just easily patch in.

All-in-all I don't think it is worth the effort or investment to do it. If MTGO couldn't keep it on their platform, then why would Arena want it?
"Couldn't" is stretching it completely out of shape, since they obviously did for many years before deciding they'd rather have the casuals leave their platform than support their favorite formats (tribal wars, 2hg, heirloom, etc)-- when the casual players were in return supporting the them through the secondary market economy quite vigorously.

The question is: Why would they return to casual niche formats, when they do not care for the community or its more casual members? WotC is great at many things and has been randomly generous over the years but at the same time they are bad at some fundamental things like creating and keeping community and listening to that community. Their overlord parent company keeps them at odds with this. The first thing they have to answer when designing new features in any of their products is: "How does this profit us and why would we bother when xyz works well enough?" 2hg while fun and probably a fan favorite amongst WotC staff, is too hard to get approval for on Arena when you take this question into account.
Annihilation Angel 2024 年 2 月 24 日 下午 2:15 
its not coming, at all, ever, they said the game would have to be redesigned from the ground up to accommodate multiplayer
ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ 2024 年 2 月 24 日 下午 2:37 
I'd play this
Harmonica 2024 年 2 月 24 日 下午 5:01 
引用自 loon_93
引用自 Kakashi69

you think more people would quit then new ones would flock to the game?

I don't think there is nearly the demand for 2HG that folks on this forums think there is. Having a format available on one platform, but not another is an absolute mess from a PR standpoint. I don't think Hasbro/WotC can justify it well enough to satisfy the playerbase.

And this is all assuming that Arena itself (PC or not) could even handle 2HG. They may need a whole new client for it as far as we know. I doubt that it is something you can just easily patch in.

All-in-all I don't think it is worth the effort or investment to do it. If MTGO couldn't keep it on their platform, then why would Arena want it?
I agree it's not a trivial addition and multiplayer takes work but Duels already demonstrated a perfectly good version of 2HG back in the day, so at the very least they could copy that as a basis (and there's numerous improvements they could add at the same time).

And likewise MTGO demonstrates a very basic implementation of Commander although it's pretty clunky and compromised by that interface/client, but still people made it work. Although I guess the better example is probably the unofficial versions of the game in games like Tabletop Simulator.

Honestly not sure that anything with regards to Magic is being made because it's a good business idea right now! But I would think that supporting literally the most popular mode of play (Commander) and a playerbase that loves to spend money on kitting out their decks is as close to a no brainer as anything in Magic. But we've been saying this for years and years...

And once you have Commander then 2HG just follows naturally since it can re-use the same interface. Definitely less demand but that's mostly because people have less exposure to it. If they played it they would realise how incredible it is, and how fun it is to play a coop team game mode in Magic. I always choose to play 2HG at pre-releases and I'm sure many others are the same.
最后由 Harmonica 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 24 日 下午 5:04
Snoot Boops 2024 年 2 月 25 日 上午 7:52 
引用自 Gloria Minge
its not coming, at all, ever, they said the game would have to be redesigned from the ground up to accommodate multiplayer
i'm not sure if you're aware of this but the game already has multiplayer in it. its not a single player game unless you enjoy playing only vs the bot. and no, the entire game wouldn't need to be redesigned. the card effects and conditions for 2 headed is already in the game. they could add it through an update if they really wanted to. but i just don't think they ever will.
loon_93 2024 年 2 月 25 日 上午 9:47 
引用自 ONYX
引用自 Gloria Minge
its not coming, at all, ever, they said the game would have to be redesigned from the ground up to accommodate multiplayer
i'm not sure if you're aware of this but the game already has multiplayer in it. its not a single player game unless you enjoy playing only vs the bot. and no, the entire game wouldn't need to be redesigned. the card effects and conditions for 2 headed is already in the game. they could add it through an update if they really wanted to. but i just don't think they ever will.

*sigh* Really? Are you honestly that ignorant and/or dense?

Okay, when we here talk about "Multiplayer" in Arena or Magic in general, we refer to it being more than 2 players. 1v1 is the Generally accepted standard basic setup. Anything more than that is referred to as "Multiplayer."

Also, this is not a Card issue. This is a question of UI. Of whether or not the actual Client (ya know, the actual computer program that is running this digital game) could handle it. Yes, there are many cards that mention multiple opponents. But that's because Magic is a Physical Card Game before it is a Digital one. Playing with multiple other players is a simple matter in Real Life. Just need a bigger table, more chairs, and extra allotted play time. It takes a lot more than just a simple patch to do that in a Digital game. Especially if it wasn't originally set up to do so!

So yes, it is very possible, in fact likely, that Arena would need to be redesigned to allow for multiplayer (2HG, Commander, etc.) formats!
最后由 loon_93 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 25 日 上午 9:48
Snoot Boops 2024 年 2 月 25 日 上午 11:00 
引用自 loon_93
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i know you're trying really hard to talk down to me while calling me names and what not, but the fact is, its totally possible. you act like new game modes in other games don't get added through a simple patch using the existing game assets. wizards is to lazy and to cheap to pay someone to do it. thats really all there is to it.
Winter Wolf 2024 年 2 月 25 日 下午 1:20 
While it is true that adding multiplayer functionality (past 1v1 ofc) is not a 0 cost proposition it is not like they need to reinvent the wheel. Two official clients have already had the full functionality so while UI might need some redesign it is not an unsolved problem. Essentially competent designers and programmers could do the work if they were given the money and orders to do so. For all we know this might already have been slated as a project. The real question is how would it benefit Hasbro/Wizards? If the answer is not 'bring in a ton more money' it is probably just a no go.
VeryAngryKitten 2024 年 2 月 25 日 下午 6:12 
引用自 Winter Wolf
While it is true that adding multiplayer functionality (past 1v1 ofc) is not a 0 cost proposition it is not like they need to reinvent the wheel. Two official clients have already had the full functionality so while UI might need some redesign it is not an unsolved problem. Essentially competent designers and programmers could do the work if they were given the money and orders to do so. For all we know this might already have been slated as a project. The real question is how would it benefit Hasbro/Wizards? If the answer is not 'bring in a ton more money' it is probably just a no go.
The developers address this some time after release (2019). Adding modes with more than two players would have required a major redesign of the client - and this was before the mobile release.

The story is that they think about it, but there is no active work on it. If you search for two headed giant on reddit for over the past year there's a small amount of discussion of it on there.
Annihilation Angel 2024 年 2 月 26 日 上午 4:24 
引用自 ONYX
引用自 Gloria Minge
its not coming, at all, ever, they said the game would have to be redesigned from the ground up to accommodate multiplayer
i'm not sure if you're aware of this but the game already has multiplayer in it. its not a single player game unless you enjoy playing only vs the bot. and no, the entire game wouldn't need to be redesigned. the card effects and conditions for 2 headed is already in the game. they could add it through an update if they really wanted to. but i just don't think they ever will.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how new are you to magic jfc. multiplayer in magic refers to any format that is more than 1v1. stop talking with authority about things you know nothing about.
neo_bpm 2024 年 2 月 26 日 上午 4:54 
I know people that will play MTGA if it has 2v2.
Ha 何豪源 2024 年 2 月 26 日 上午 5:54 
never
VeryAngryKitten 2024 年 2 月 26 日 上午 7:57 
I looked at the reddit posts on the topic in more detail. (This forum is useless, so if you want to learn anything about Arena, you need to go to reddit.)

The devs did talk about this at a convention - the hope was that they might do something before 2025. Problem is that this was before they laid people off.

They realise that they are not going to build 4 player modes into the existing Arena client. The best you can hope for is a new desktop only client that uses the Arena collection. However, this new client would effectively be a new business unit, and so it would have to show a profit on a stand alone basis. They would need to completely overhaul matchmaking and chat - creating a need for expensive chat moderation that is largely absent from Arena.

My guess that it would only be viable as a subscription-only client. Random matchmaking is useless in a four player game - people will just drop out because they are whining about opponent's commanders, their initial draw, or because one player took 10 seconds to think about what card to play. If random matchmaking is not viable, FTP players are no longer needed to fill queues.

Or if you want to pay WotC (indirectly) to play Commander online (the main reason people want 4 player Arena), you can go play on MTGO.
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