is this game woke propaganda?

[lula preso]

i've heard lot of bad things about Wizards of the Coast

[N1ck0]

Love you bro.

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Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

Where in the book does it say he’s white?

If it doesn’t say he’s white in the book, WOTC hasn’t changed anything.

In the books the Dunadain were described as tall and fair, with blonde hair and blue eyes. To the point that the appearance of a dark haired Dunadain was considered remarkable.

"he makes special note of the rare appearance of Erendis, with her dark hair and grey eyes."

[EpimeTheAus]

You have to have brain damage if you read Tolkien's books and think Aragorn was anything but caucasian.

Fellowship of the ring, chapter 9 "Frodo found that Strider was now looking at him, as if he had heard or guessed all that had been said. Presently, with a wave of his hand and a nod, he invited Frodo to come over and sit by him. As Frodo drew near he threw back his hood, showing a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes."

[N1ck0]

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Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

Where in the book does it say he’s white?

If it doesn’t say he’s white in the book, WOTC hasn’t changed anything.

In the books the Dunadain were described as tall and fair, with blonde hair and blue eyes. To the point that the appearance of a dark haired Dunadain was considered remarkable.

"he makes special note of the rare appearance of Erendis, with her dark hair and grey eyes."

EpimeTheAus eredeti hozzászólása:

You have to have brain damage if you read Tolkien's books and think Aragorn was anything but caucasian.

Fellowship of the ring, chapter 9 "Frodo found that Strider was now looking at him, as if he had heard or guessed all that had been said. Presently, with a wave of his hand and a nod, he invited Frodo to come over and sit by him. As Frodo drew near he threw back his hood, showing a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes."

Interesting. Thanks to both of you for the info. The other guy got his answer now I believe.

[Jamjars]

Erendis and the kingdom of numenor died over 5000 years before aragorn was even born. That’s a long time.

Pale is a relative measure of skin tone. When there’s less blood in the skin. Black people go pale too.

I’m not convinced. Have anything better?

[N1ck0]

Wow...

[Jamjars]

Reading through the other chapters again he keeps using pale skin as the main skin descriptor, like with Faramir.

But light skin doesn’t automatically mean caucasian. Especially when fantasy races are involved.

[EpimeTheAus]

Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

Erendis and the kingdom of numenor died over 5000 years before aragorn was even born. That’s a long time.

Pale is a relative measure of skin tone. When there’s less blood in the skin. Black people go pale too.

I’m not convinced. Have anything better?

I suspect we could ressurect Tolkien himself and have him tell it to you plainly and you'd still argue the point with the man. None the less, I'll provide more evidence and ask that since you're on the side of him being black, your task in return is to quote me evidence from within Tolkien's works that support your argument.
I can save you some time though, there is none, because he isn't.

Aragorn was a decedent of the house of Bëor, they are fair-skinned people as described by Tolkien "The people of Bëor were on the whole dark-haired (though fair-skinned), less tall and of less stalwart build; they were also less long-lived. Their Númenórean descendants tended to have a smaller life-span: about 350 years or less."

Aragorn was not just described as a descendant of ancient men of the north but he himself was modelled after the very white kings of Northern Europe such as King Oswald of Northumbia and King Alfred the Great with not just John Tolkien approving several depictions with that in common, but his son Christopher did so as well.

As for that passage of time you described, Aragorn's appearance was described by Elrond as having not changed from the people of that time, keeping in mind that their lifespans are much longer than a normal human's. "It is said that in later days those (such as Elrond) whose memories recalled him were struck by the great likeness to him, in body and mind, of King Elessar, the victor in the War of the Ring, in which both the Ring and Sauron were ended for ever. Elessar was according to the records of the Dúnedain the descendant in the thirty eighth degree of Elendur's brother Valandil. So long was it before he was avenged."

Race swapping is lazy, racist and wrong.
It was when white Hollywood did it in the past it is when woke Hollywood does it today in reverse, that includes WOTC.

Peace out MF'ers.

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Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

Reading through the other chapters again he keeps using pale skin as the main skin descriptor, like with Faramir. so he probably means white. Unless everyone was feeling sick that day, which seems unlikely, lol.

Not to mention that Middle Earth is clearly based upon medieval Europe, with substantial Scandinavian influences, like the dual Odin symbols that are Gandalf and Saruman.

They do have members of other ethnic groups in the book series, like the tribes of mercenaries, the Haradrim, that come up from the south with their Olephants, but they are barely touched upon because of the fan base at the time.

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EpimeTheAus eredeti hozzászólása:

Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

Erendis and the kingdom of numenor died over 5000 years before aragorn was even born. That’s a long time.

Pale is a relative measure of skin tone. When there’s less blood in the skin. Black people go pale too.

I’m not convinced. Have anything better?

I suspect we could ressurect Tolkien himself and have him tell it to you plainly and you'd still argue the point with the man. None the less, I'll provide more evidence and ask that since you're on the side of him being black, your task in return is to quote me evidence from within Tolkien's works that support your argument.
I can save you some time though, there is none, because he isn't.

Aragorn was a decedent of the house of Bëor, they are fair-skinned people as described by Tolkien "For the most part they were tall people, with flaxen or golden hair and blue-grey eyes, but there were not a few among them that had dark hair, though all were fair-skinned."

Aragorn was not just described as a descendant of ancient men of the north but he himself was modelled after the very white kings of Northern Europe such as King Oswald of Northumbia and King Alfred the Great with not just John Tolkien approving several depictions with that in common, but his son Christopher did so as well.

As for that passage of time you described, Aragorn's appearance was described by Elrond as having not changed from the people of that time, keeping in mind that their lifespans are much longer than a normal human's. "It is said that in later days those (such as Elrond) whose memories recalled him were struck by the great likeness to him, in body and mind, of King Elessar, the victor in the War of the Ring, in which both the Ring and Sauron were ended for ever. Elessar was according to the records of the Dúnedain the descendant in the thirty eighth degree of Elendur's brother Valandil. So long was it before he was avenged."

Race swapping is lazy, racist and wrong.
It was when white Hollywood did it in the past it is when woke Hollywood does it today in reverse, that includes WOTC.

Peace out MF'ers.

They need a mike drop award, lol.

[Jamjars]

EpimeTheAus eredeti hozzászólása:

Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

Erendis and the kingdom of numenor died over 5000 years before aragorn was even born. That’s a long time.

Pale is a relative measure of skin tone. When there’s less blood in the skin. Black people go pale too.

I’m not convinced. Have anything better?

Aragorn was a decedent of the house of Bëor, they are fair-skinned people as described by Tolkien
"For the most part they were tall people, with flaxen or golden hair and blue-grey eyes, but there were not a few among them that had dark hair, though all were fair-skinned."

Peace out MF'ers.

That’s the description from the house of Hador. Beör himself was dark skinned, and the people of his house were generally dark haired with grey or brown eyes.

but go off I guess, lol

Reading more, WOTC probably got the idea from the passage about how rangers were taller and darker than the men of Bree.

[EpimeTheAus]

Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

That’s the house of Hador. Beör himself was dark skinned, and the people of his house were generally dark haired with grey or brown eyes.

You could have just posted a few other passages but go off I guess, lol

Yep, copied the wrong quote there, here's the right one from The Nature of Middle-earth "The people of Bëor were on the whole dark-haired (though fair-skinned), less tall and of less stalwart build; they were also less long-lived. Their Númenórean descendants tended to have a smaller life-span: about 350 years or less."

[JayTac]

EpimeTheAus eredeti hozzászólása:

Jamjars eredeti hozzászólása:

Erendis and the kingdom of numenor died over 5000 years before aragorn was even born. That’s a long time.

Pale is a relative measure of skin tone. When there’s less blood in the skin. Black people go pale too.

I’m not convinced. Have anything better?

I suspect we could ressurect Tolkien himself and have him tell it to you plainly and you'd still argue the point with the man. None the less, I'll provide more evidence and ask that since you're on the side of him being black, your task in return is to quote me evidence from within Tolkien's works that support your argument.
I can save you some time though, there is none, because he isn't.

Aragorn was a decedent of the house of Bëor, they are fair-skinned people as described by Tolkien "The people of Bëor were on the whole dark-haired (though fair-skinned), less tall and of less stalwart build; they were also less long-lived. Their Númenórean descendants tended to have a smaller life-span: about 350 years or less."

Peace out MF'ers.

They live 350 years? Yes, that's obviously white people then.

It's scary that no one sees the lunacy in trying to attach real ethnic roots to a completely fictional race of people. It's like trying to tie Avatars (or whatever those blue creatures are called) to an ethnicity. They're fake! "But his skin is pale, so damn everything else, he is me and I am him!"

Nonetheless, if we're going to go that route, the description you provided can easily be applied to Asian people. There is nothing there that signifies he has to be Caucasian.

In reality, he is not of any particular race. He is not white, black, asian, etc. He is a fictional race, thus can be represented by any ethnicity. Where Wizard went wrong is that they made his skin complexion too dark. That I will give you. But the ethnicity does not matter.

[JayTac]

EpimeTheAus eredeti hozzászólása:

Race swapping is lazy, racist and wrong.

At the end of the day, everything is wacist. People on both sides of this social/political spectrum are exactly the same. The only thing that changes is what they're triggered by. The woke warriors and anti-woke hypocrites will find racism in the dumbest ♥♥♥♥. Bearing in mind everything I pointed out above.

[Jamjars]

Tac eredeti hozzászólása:

EpimeTheAus eredeti hozzászólása:

Race swapping is lazy, racist and wrong.

At the end of the day, everything is wacist. People on both sides of this social/political spectrum are exactly the same. The only thing that changes is what they're triggered by. The woke warriors and anti-woke hypocrites will find racism in the dumbest ♥♥♥♥. Bearing in mind everything I pointed out above.

That’s a good point that light skin doesn’t automatically mean white. I’m still siding with WOTC on this one because some of the commentors against it are really obviously racist and just mad Arwen got with a black guy.