Wipe the board, I quit the game.

[pderop]

This is one of those mechanics that was introduced a few updates ago, and every player and their mother has jumped on it. The first six rounds, they do not cast anything and then they play that one card that wipes everything and they start casting.

Sometimes, they will cast one or two creatures, to keep up appearances.

Sorry folks. You might like it.. I think it's unimaginative.. you play with yourself then.

[Taweret]

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Taweret a écrit :

and way more options to recover from it, last time played against guy who used some sort of combo board sweeper cleaned my board like 3-4 times and i revived all with Agadeem's Awakening. if you dont run blue white control in historic there is literally no reason for board sweepers, maybe as rakdos or mono black you want to put some situational extinction events or ritual of soot but thats it, even then target removals and discards are quicker and better.

they didn't get rid of your graveyard or stop you from bringing stuff back, you faced a bad wipe deck

and you know that the exile mass removals are staples in standard decks? not in historic?
the thing is "way more options" make people play more decks, than control blue/white, and green/black removals don't always use exile, and even if they use if you have good deck you can swarm the board again and again is not that reliable strat in historic at all i had Elven Chorus in game and i could play every single 1-2 drop card from my top deck.
like i said, they wiped my board couples of times and probably also exiled couple of cards.

[Berserkr]

You never played vs a decent black/white in Historic then got it

[PJ]

Taweret a écrit :

PJ a écrit :

Instant Win mechanics:
- anything that reveals opponent's hand
- discard
- mill
- counterspell
- board wipe
- haste
- anything that gives you control of an opponent's card
- exile
- destroy
- creature with power/toughness 3+
- lifegain

The lower the emotional intelligence of your opponent, the more of these that will work as a win-♥♥♥.

mill is by far the lowest iq requirement from the user of all these win ♥♥♥♥

Nah, a ton of people get tilted by mill so it actually has the softest requirements.

[Berserkr]

Nah mono red is the lowest IQ
a 5 year old autistic kid could build a mono red deck

[Taweret]

Berserkr a écrit :

Nah mono red is the lowest IQ
a 5 year old autistic kid could build a mono red deck

goblins is the highest intelligence deck because it can summon whole deck in one turn

[Witch in the Huluppu Tree]

OK, thanks for the easy wins.

[The Fifth Horseman]

pderop a écrit :

This is one of those mechanics that was introduced a few updates ago, and every player and their mother has jumped on it. The first six rounds, they do not cast anything and then they play that one card that wipes everything and they start casting.

Sometimes, they will cast one or two creatures, to keep up appearances.

Sorry folks. You might like it.. I think it's unimaginative.. you play with yourself then.

"I have played against control and allowed them to get control of the board state" for 500 points.
Six turns is a stupidly long time. Even non-aggro decks can swing for lethal having that much.

[pozertron]

Board wipe is the easiest thing to play through, just don't summon enough monsters to regret your decision later. If you're getting hits in, it's fine. You don't need to speedrun. Not every type of deck has a board wipe, learn which ones do. They are not going to waste a board wipe on 2 1/1s, 1 10/10? maybe, but that's still on the nose. It's all about card advantage.

[PJ]

I have a mono white deck that is actually fairly resilient to board wipes because every creature in it lets me draw a card on ETB. So when someone does board wipe the ton of creatures I have out, it's very likely I still have a full hand to dump on the board next round. I've actually had times where the opponent board wiped 3 times and I ended up winning because I was able to repeatedly rebuild the board.

Like anything else, there are multiple ways to play around board wipes.

[Andrei]

They're the reason why I'm mostly drafting and playing starter decks even with hundreds of rare wildcards available. Basically all the decks I enjoy playing (usually decks with lots of synergy) get wrecked by Sunfall & co. Board wipes are the best reason not to play constructed formats.

[Andrei]

pozertron a écrit :

Board wipe is the easiest thing to play through, just don't summon enough monsters to regret your decision later. If you're getting hits in, it's fine. You don't need to speedrun. Not every type of deck has a board wipe, learn which ones do. They are not going to waste a board wipe on 2 1/1s, 1 10/10? maybe, but that's still on the nose. It's all about card advantage.

A lot of decks NEED plenty of creatures in play in order to do their thing and enable their synergies. And also the kinds of decks that run board wipes also run plenty of spot removal and cards like Wandering Emperor which will punish you for holding up. Not all decks are focused on card advantage or they need certain cards in play in order to get card advantage.

Long story short: board wipes are awful to play against and the only people defending them are the passive aggressive jerks who always play them in every format they're available.

Obviously there are ways to counter them just like there are ways to counter anything in Magic, but in order to do so you have to play certain decks which are themselves not fun to play, which is what people start doing when these decks start dominating the meta.

[Tenacity]

Andrei a écrit :

Long story short: board wipes are awful to play against and the only people defending them are the passive aggressive jerks who always play them in every format they're available.

lol
Translation: There shouldn't be counterplay to go-wide strategies and if I have more creatures on the board than my opponent I should win by default.

[Andrei]

Tenacity a écrit :

Andrei a écrit :

Long story short: board wipes are awful to play against and the only people defending them are the passive aggressive jerks who always play them in every format they're available.

lol
Translation: There shouldn't be counterplay to go-wide strategies and if I have more creatures on the board than my opponent I should win by default.

There are ways to counter go wide decks beyond board wipes, and most importantly, I'd much rather lose to go wide decks than board wipes.

[Tenacity]

Andrei a écrit :

Tenacity a écrit :

lol
Translation: There shouldn't be counterplay to go-wide strategies and if I have more creatures on the board than my opponent I should win by default.

There are ways to counter go wide decks beyond board wipes, and most importantly, I'd much rather lose to go wide decks than board wipes.

If the opponent is both wide and tall (i.e. anything that runs cathars crusade or similar effects) then no, you have no choice but to wipe the board if you want to live.
"i'd rather lose to x than y"
Translation: I play x

[Andrei]

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Andrei a écrit :

There are ways to counter go wide decks beyond board wipes, and most importantly, I'd much rather lose to go wide decks than board wipes.

If the opponent is both wide and tall (i.e. anything that runs cathars crusade or similar effects) then no, you have no choice but to wipe the board if you want to live.
"i'd rather lose to x than y"
Translation: I play x

If your opponent is wide and tall go wider or taller. I like go wide but I like plenty of decks that are pro-active and do their own things. What I hate is decks whose only plan is screwing over the opponent, where more than half their cards are reactive. I wish all people who play those would get cancer and die long and painful deaths.