How is the RNG so bad?

[thor27]

I don't understand how a 26/60 land deck consistently misses land drops for the first 5 turns every game and flooded wherever I'm top decking. Every game in ranked I get a reasonable amount of land I win and 70% of the time I get completely mana screwed!

[Jamjars]

It's rigged.

[Brother Alpha]

ignore Jamjars. The game is not rigged. It's been independently tested and passed.

Here's what you need to do... actually sit down and keep track of each game you play. How many lands you have in your starting seven and when you draw lands. If you actually do this, the game will no longer seem rigged. What you are dealing with is confirmation bias.

[Jamjars]

Ignore alpha. The game is rigged. It's been independently tested and passed.

Here's what you need to do... actually sit down and keep track of each game you play. How many lands you have in your starting seven and when you draw lands. If you actually do this, the game will seem rigged. What you are dealing with is a rigged game.

[StuffedPlatypusLuvsOrigamiRabbit]

Is the rng bad or is it you that is bad, and instead of introspection you decide to blame the game? How can others reliably climb each season, while you are hard stuck?

[Sir Fluffykins]

Same arguments for all these digital card games and every single time turns out there's rank bots, early assists and some version of MMR that in some way forces a set win rate. (because apparently players don't like starting a match and getting bad hands and instantly losing, go figure)

That said, MTGA have been open with how the game works; remember when everyone freaked out when they said Arena would have early draw assist and everyone lost their minds because that changes what should be based on deck shuffle.

I still find MTGA the most "varied" in it's matches, I can easy win, I can easy lose, I can face a counter, I can face a guy who is helpless, to getting turn to turn exiled so both of us have no cards to the best matches, pulling off, or getting hit by a wincon you never saw coming.

Meanwhile you got games like Shadowverse being super rigged beyond any of these other games, to the point it's counters turn to turn and the player base still insist it's definitely RNG or LUCK. XD

To be clear, what you WANT is varied matches, because you need to be working with the cards you pull from a shuffled deck, not a system handing you perfect curve in line with the opponents perfect curve.

So it may not be perfect but MTGA will give you the variation you'd want from taking your deck and seeing how it deals against others.

[Sir Fluffykins]

Then I play 15 opponents in a row, I get a 1/1 they get a 2/2 I get a big guy or planewalkers they have a spell that kills it, lol, prove me wrong game.

I just kept playing and every time both players brought down to empty hands yet keep pulling counters. So frustrating.

I just defended this game then got screwed so hard, lol

[Nanaki]

Try 24 lands and see what happens :p
I had this debate before lol
I always use 24 lands now..

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Brother Alpha:

ignore Jamjars. The game is not rigged. It's been independently tested and passed.

Here's what you need to do... actually sit down and keep track of each game you play. How many lands you have in your starting seven and when you draw lands. If you actually do this, the game will no longer seem rigged. What you are dealing with is confirmation bias.

Doing that is what TELLS you the game is rigged. It has a bias for giving decks with too few lands starting hands with more lands than it should at a disproportionate rate, and gives decks with a lot of lands too few in their starting hand at a disproportionate rate. The shuffler is not truly random, at least not when it comes to resolving mulligans.

[Sir Fluffykins]

I was defending this game this morning amazing how multiple matches in a row where every card you put down opponent just so happens to have a spell on had for it can sour your tune

Not even general counters, like a wipe board, or kill card, but a super specific one, like deal 4 to the 4 or exile the indestructible.

So match after match you just end up two players, no board and 0-2 cards passing turns until you get something, only for their card to block you from attacking, or kills it, like come on!

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Originally posted by Brother Alpha:

ignore Jamjars. The game is not rigged. It's been independently tested and passed.

Here's what you need to do... actually sit down and keep track of each game you play. How many lands you have in your starting seven and when you draw lands. If you actually do this, the game will no longer seem rigged. What you are dealing with is confirmation bias.

Doing that is what TELLS you the game is rigged.

This tells me you have never actually done this and instead are you are relying on feels to prove its rigged.

Do it. Do it for a week and show us the numbers.

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Brother Alpha:

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Doing that is what TELLS you the game is rigged.

This tells me you have never actually done this and instead are you are relying on feels to prove its rigged.

Do it. Do it for a week and show us the numbers.

Pro tip: if an argument can be used that applies equally to both halves of a binary stance, that inherently means the argument itself has no validity whatsoever.

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Sir Fluffykins:

I was defending this game this morning amazing how multiple matches in a row where every card you put down opponent just so happens to have a spell on had for it can sour your tune

Not even general counters, like a wipe board, or kill card, but a super specific one, like deal 4 to the 4 or exile the indestructible.

So match after match you just end up two players, no board and 0-2 cards passing turns until you get something, only for their card to block you from attacking, or kills it, like come on!

Mono-removal decks exist. I can't really fault them considering how many turn 3 or 4 win aggro decks there are out there. But neither of those cases are fun. At least with control decks you will eventually outpace their removal spells. Aggro decks don't let you play the game whether they win or lose.

[thor27]

Originally posted by Brother Alpha:

ignore Jamjars. The game is not rigged. It's been independently tested and passed.

Here's what you need to do... actually sit down and keep track of each game you play. How many lands you have in your starting seven and when you draw lands. If you actually do this, the game will no longer seem rigged. What you are dealing with is confirmation bias.

Can u explain to me how I just drew 10 cards from start to finish of a match and got 0 lands? Had 2 in opening hand and with mana dorks and top play got to see 10 card draws not a stitch of mana.

[thor27]

Also 24 lands in the deck.

[thor27]

Originally posted by Sir Fluffykins:

Same arguments for all these digital card games and every single time turns out there's rank bots, early assists and some version of MMR that in some way forces a set win rate. (because apparently players don't like starting a match and getting bad hands and instantly losing, go figure)

That said, MTGA have been open with how the game works; remember when everyone freaked out when they said Arena would have early draw assist and everyone lost their minds because that changes what should be based on deck shuffle.

I still find MTGA the most "varied" in it's matches, I can easy win, I can easy lose, I can face a counter, I can face a guy who is helpless, to getting turn to turn exiled so both of us have no cards to the best matches, pulling off, or getting hit by a wincon you never saw coming.

Meanwhile you got games like Shadowverse being super rigged beyond any of these other games, to the point it's counters turn to turn and the player base still insist it's definitely RNG or LUCK. XD

To be clear, what you WANT is varied matches, because you need to be working with the cards you pull from a shuffled deck, not a system handing you perfect curve in line with the opponents perfect curve.

So it may not be perfect but MTGA will give you the variation you'd want from taking your deck and seeing how it deals against others.

I put 27 lands in my deck and still get not just mana inconsistency, but more than half my games I get pockets of 4 to 5 draws with no lands or 3 to 4 lands in a row top decking. It's one thing to say the system works and it's random and another thing to experience drawing 10 cards off the top with not a single land in sight