Magic: The Gathering Arena

Magic: The Gathering Arena

Ghingo Jun 30, 2023 @ 7:59am
Something really pisses me off about this game (that I love)
Something really pisses me off about this game. How come if I play against Sparky, game after game, my starting hand is almost always well balanced and my library seems organized in such a way that the whole game is also somewhat balanced. But when I play Historic, the difficulties start to arise. Playing several games, my starting hand is too often unbalanced (generally few lands and many spells, often the most expensive ones) and so is the rest of the game where my library seems to fight against me.
And if we talk about ranked matches, it's really funny. My starting hand is ALWAYS unbalanced. One or two lands and lots of very expensive magic. Nine games out of ten I don't draw lands any more and I have to play the rest of the game with the two or three lands I played in the early rounds.
Could someone disprove my suspicions, please? I wish I didn't have to think badly of this game that I love.
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Jamjars Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:18am 
It’s rigged. You’re more likely to buy cards when you’re frustrated.
Berserkr Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:21am 
Tell us you made another shuffler is rigged thread without telling us you made another shuffler is rigged thread
Honestly this topic has been beat to death just let it go, did you even bother reading the other 6-8 threads?
Did you see how those went, do you really think this one won't go off the rails like all the others?
Last edited by Berserkr; Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:21am
Jamjars Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:30am 
If they didn’t want people to complain about game rigging, they shouldn’t have rigged the game.
Ghingo Jun 30, 2023 @ 8:46am 
Originally posted by Berserkr:
Tell us you made another shuffler is rigged thread without telling us you made another shuffler is rigged thread
Honestly this topic has been beat to death just let it go, did you even bother reading the other 6-8 threads?
Did you see how those went, do you really think this one won't go off the rails like all the others?

I have thought of nothing but expressing myself on a platform whose democratic soul cannot be questioned by you.
DoDonPachi Jun 30, 2023 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by Ghingo:
Could someone disprove my suspicions, please? I wish I didn't have to think badly of this game that I love.

Nobody needs to disprove your suspicions because

a)its been done several times already and
b)you are literally oozing with confirmation bias
Ghingo Jun 30, 2023 @ 11:30am 
Originally posted by gloomycoin:
Originally posted by Ghingo:
Could someone disprove my suspicions, please? I wish I didn't have to think badly of this game that I love.

Nobody needs to disprove your suspicions because

a)its been done several times already and
b)you are literally oozing with confirmation bias

a) Where? I don't read any response to my perplexity. Mine, not someone else's, expressed somewhere else (provocation)
b) I don't know why you are talking about bias. I did dozens of tests and I simply expressed a concern about the results. I have never claimed to know the truth about the matter. I got the doubt and I asked here if anyone has any information, even technical, in which I am strongly interested. Or just a trivial explanation.
I see no reason to take sharply critical attitudes like yours or that of friend Berserker, above.
Soji Jun 30, 2023 @ 12:36pm 
Nobody can disprove anything without even knowing what your decklist looks like. You could be a memer who runs 12 lands with an average CMC cost of 5 for all I know. You're asking for a lot without providing much to go on besides anecdotes which is basically every single 'shuffler is rigged' claim concerning arena.
DoDonPachi Jun 30, 2023 @ 12:53pm 
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/igwsjj/crowdsourced_experiment_testing_the_integrity_of/

https://blog.mtgatracker.com/debunking-the-evil-shuffler

Two of many (proper) tests ive seen regarding the shuffler

I thought the internet had put this matter to bed but steam forums are a special kind of place as usual
c Z p Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:57pm 
Originally posted by Octopuses:
Shuffler is not rigged. It's just this ancient land system that is extremely flawed.
Strange because as far as I recall, when it comes to digital MtG, the older the game - the better the 'shuffler' was.
It's definitely rigged, but it doesn't matter cause you can keep on retrying matches rly quick.
You'll eventually get matched with non-WotC bots, get good starting hands and get your wins. No big deal.
Personally, my fav kind of player would be some unsuspecting newcomer tbh. Unable to break the game and/ or abuse certain unfair bs that WotC has released over the yrs. It works.
Last edited by c Z p; Jun 30, 2023 @ 2:07pm
Ghingo Jun 30, 2023 @ 2:40pm 
Originally posted by Soji:
Nobody can disprove anything without even knowing what your decklist looks like. You could be a memer who runs 12 lands with an average CMC cost of 5 for all I know. You're asking for a lot without providing much to go on besides anecdotes which is basically every single 'shuffler is rigged' claim concerning arena.

Creatures: 13
Non Creatures: 55
Lands: 42

(1-) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6+)
10 7 27 14 6 4
Average: 3.2
magnumaniac Jun 30, 2023 @ 3:30pm 
Originally posted by Ghingo:

Creatures: 13
Non Creatures: 55
Lands: 42

You want a consistent, balanced hand draw while running a 110 card deck?

Yeah, you've not grasped the fundamentals of good deck creation yet. There are good reasons that 60 cards is the most commonly used deck size.
Soji Jun 30, 2023 @ 5:14pm 
Originally posted by Ghingo:
Originally posted by Soji:
Nobody can disprove anything without even knowing what your decklist looks like. You could be a memer who runs 12 lands with an average CMC cost of 5 for all I know. You're asking for a lot without providing much to go on besides anecdotes which is basically every single 'shuffler is rigged' claim concerning arena.

Creatures: 13
Non Creatures: 55
Lands: 42

(1-) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6+)
10 7 27 14 6 4
Average: 3.2
In a game like MTG, variance is something that is unavoidable, best way to mitigate it is to have as small of a deck as possible. 110 cards is way too many to reliably get any kind of consistency even if you scale up land amount. Try to scale it back down to 60 and you'll notice a huge change in consistency immediately I'm sure. Keep in mind that getting land flooded/screwed is going to happen regardless of this, but its more about playing the odds when it comes to using a deck with 60 compared to 110.
PJ Jun 30, 2023 @ 5:18pm 
I've had bad hands with Sparky tho, so ether you're lying, or your copy of the game is special somehow.
Brother Alpha Jul 1, 2023 @ 3:28am 
Originally posted by Jamjars:
It’s rigged. You’re more likely to buy cards when you’re frustrated.

NO YOU ARE NOT MORE LIKELY TO BUY CARDS WHEN YOU ARE FRUSTRATED!

You are more likely to stop playing.
Ghingo Jul 1, 2023 @ 4:19am 
Originally posted by PJ:
I've had bad hands with Sparky tho, so ether you're lying, or your copy of the game is special somehow.

None of the two. And those are two very silly things to say. What reason would I have to lie in a forum? What benefit would I get from it?
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Date Posted: Jun 30, 2023 @ 7:59am
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