Free2Play is Not Free

[Drimon]

How many more Years does it need that stupid Free leeches understand this ?
F2P is free to Download and to Play but you need to pay at any Point for convenience because they will make the Game unplayable at any point without Money... Or you have No Life and Grind 24/7.

They need Money to Work and to eat... There is nothing Free on this Planet

[Jesus Is King]

Originally posted by Drimon:

How many more Years does it need that stupid Free leeches understand this ?
F2P is free to Download and to Play but you need to pay at any Point for convenience because they will make the Game unplayable at any point without Money... Or you have No Life and Grind 24/7.

They need Money to Work and to eat... There is nothing Free on this Planet

REAL AND TRUE

[Fox Tail]

Free2play is free2play, now will it be P2W oh most definitely without a doubt no question needs to be asked if the game will be P2W the question is how badly will it be P2W? Will it be to the point were I need to spend money to enjoy the game or will it be to a point were I only need to spend money if I want to be some min-maxing god that brags about how good he is at a video game he had to spend 100k dollars on to get that good.

[Richard]

most f2p mmos are truly free. you dont have to pay to get best ♥♥♥♥. then there pay to progress faster which is whatever and then the small amount of mmos that are truely p2w. hell payed games r more p2w tbh lol.

Originally posted by GhostBear:

Yes and no.

F2P games CAN be played fully free. Some games aren't that inconvenient that you have to pay. Most F2P profits that are looked at are from whales and I can tell you most F2P games aren't required to whale even if you do decide to spend money. It's the ones who spend thousands who are sought after.

But it is still not fully free and this isn't even exclusive to F2P. A lot of games are now selling your information and even ones that you pay for. The amount of Steam games that require 3rd Party Agreements on the storepage (which require you to accept their privacy policy which if you dig into harvests and sells your information or *cough* "shares with partners") on Steam has risen up a ton lately.

most f2p mmos are truly free. you dont have to pay to get best ♥♥♥♥.

Originally posted by Skull Knight:

Originally posted by Drimon:

How many more Years does it need that stupid Free leeches understand this ?
F2P is free to Download and to Play but you need to pay at any Point for convenience because they will make the Game unplayable at any point without Money... Or you have No Life and Grind 24/7.

They need Money to Work and to eat... There is nothing Free on this Planet

REAL AND TRUE

it not true thou lol.

Originally posted by GhostBear:

Originally posted by Skull Knight:

REAL AND TRUE

How so? while it turned into a garbage sequel I played pso2 just fine f2p. Also he said "f2p" and not "f2p mmos" so what about Dota 2 and CSGO? Literally all cosmetic only

pso2 is amazing. how is it garbage? now pso2 ngs is debatable lol. and most f2p you can just progress just fine. mmo and non.

Originally posted by Sono:

Free2play is free2play, now will it be P2W oh most definitely without a doubt no question needs to be asked if the game will be P2W the question is how badly will it be P2W? Will it be to the point were I need to spend money to enjoy the game or will it be to a point were I only need to spend money if I want to be some min-maxing god that brags about how good he is at a video game he had to spend 100k dollars on to get that good.

very debatable. there are alot of f2p mmos that arent p2w and some that are very little (pay to progress faster.) and the min/max gods are in every game free or payed and cant get good if they have no skills lol.

[Fox Tail]

Originally posted by Wobbly God Richard:

Originally posted by Sono:

Free2play is free2play, now will it be P2W oh most definitely without a doubt no question needs to be asked if the game will be P2W the question is how badly will it be P2W? Will it be to the point were I need to spend money to enjoy the game or will it be to a point were I only need to spend money if I want to be some min-maxing god that brags about how good he is at a video game he had to spend 100k dollars on to get that good.

very debatable. there are alot of f2p mmos that arent p2w and some that are very little (pay to progress faster.) and the min/max gods are in every game free or payed and cant get good if they have no skills lol.

Yet being a min-maxing god is locked out and not reachable content for truely free2play players in most F2P games. Take PSO2 NG for instance try get BIS gear with BIS augments as a pure F2P simple put you just won't it physically impossible by the time you reach that level they have already moved the bar and released new BIS gear and new BIS augments.

Can a true F2P player enjoy everything PSO2 NG has to offer without min-maxing sure they can not doubt about that, but if your someone that likes min-maxing don't play PSO2 NG unless your willing to drop 100 dollars a month on P2W augments and cash shop items that you'll be selling to get those expensive BIS augments. It why I laugh anytime someone criticizes someone else's gear in PSO2 NG, like yes ♥♥♥♥ talk someone cause they don't want to drop 100 dollars a month on a F2P game just to have the BIS min-maxing flavor of the month god build that SEGA will intentionally delete with their next patch.

[Paindokusai]

I don't fully agree. If a game can truly be played for free, then I have no reason to use my money. I prefer to use in-game currency to enjoy all the content. "There is nothing free on this planet" is true; I had to buy a PC first to be able to play f2p games.

However, if I receive a giveaway and can get it for free, then I will accept it without having to pay for it. Why should I pay for a giveaway? It's the same with free-to-play games. If I can enjoy all the content without paying, then why not? It's a different story if it's free-to-play but requires a subscription; then I have to pay to unlock all content.

They do need money to live, and so do I. I would rather use my money to pay rent instead.

[Magic Tofu Cat]

well you dont have too pay too buy it so it is free and you dont have too buy stuff from the cash shop.. so.. you figure it out..
then again you do need internet.. so maybe you do have too. play too play.. unless your using like 721 wifi i dunno

[Drimon]

Originally posted by Magic Tofu Cat:

well you dont have too pay too buy it so it is free and you dont have too buy stuff from the cash shop.. so.. you figure it out..
then again you do need internet.. so maybe you do have too. play too play.. unless your using like 721 wifi i dunno

The Point is that Nobody should cry If a F2P Game is Not fair to People who dont pay a Cent

[Drimon]

Originally posted by GhostBear:

Originally posted by Drimon:

The Point is that Nobody should cry If a F2P Game is Not fair to People who dont pay a Cent

As long as it's not blocking the ability to win. If no one speaks about p2w and people just went with it then PC games would look like mobile games of the past (not sure if mobile games still are like that).

This is a PvE Game and believe me... the Leeches will even Cry in a PvE Game

[Drimon]

Originally posted by GhostBear:

Originally posted by Drimon:

This is a PvE Game and believe me... the Leeches will even Cry in a PvE Game

Okay, now I am actually suspicious of you working over there at Amazon lol.

I mean yea it's a lot more tolerable with PvE but people would still prefer a fair experience in gameplay. Unless you are one who likes to P2W yourself. Which is what I really suspect here.

To clarify I am talking about actual P2W like money exclusive stat advantages and not convenience stuff. You are basically cheating the game with money and no one likes cheaters.

I still talk about PvE Games and there is no Pay2Win in a PvE Game because you cant win anything but still the Leeches are angry.
Pay for Convenience is even to much for the Leeches.

A good example in most of the F2P MMOs is Inventory Space.
If you have a Inventory Space of 20 and you can only Cash in to get more.
-People will CRY and call it a Pay2Win Game.
You can only AutoLoot (BlackDessert) with Real Money Pets?
-THEY WILL CRY.
Giving Membership Users more Convenience like free Fast Travel, more XP, more Daylie Dungeon runs and more stuff.
-Call it Pay2Win and be angry about because they want everything 4 free.

Even if they are only selling Cosmetics People want the Option that you can farm/grind for Item Shop Money.
Free Leeches want everything for free or want a option to ''work'' for it Ingame because they cant just Work a Real Job and earn Money to give the Devs of the Game lol.

[WuffWabbit]

I'd rather pay a subscription or 60$ than play through a whole game running into a bunch of annoyances or see a bunch of things I can't get unless I whip out my wallet over and over. I think most people feel this way. F2P games suck a lot of the overall joy out of the experience.

[Drimon]

Originally posted by WuffWabbit:

I'd rather pay a subscription or 60$ than play through a whole game running into a bunch of annoyances or see a bunch of things I can't get unless I whip out my wallet over and over. I think most people feel this way. F2P games suck a lot of the overall joy out of the experience.

Just dont see them as F2P.
Most People dont want to spend a Penny because it say ''F2P''
If you just Pay 60Dollar and buy some of the Important Stuff with it like Inventory Space or other Important Stuff.
This 60Dollar are the Price to ''Buy'' the Game and you cash in every Year like 30 or 60 Dollar (Addon Price).
If it has a Membership you also buy the Membership and just play it like your normal Pay2Play Game.

Even Pay2Play MMOs have a Item Shop so this should be not a Problem.

[TOTTO]

only to inform people (if u people are not informed about this), in the JP version is confirmed to have the Rose Orb Free and Paid so in the game there will be the premium store/Rose Orb store for Free/Paid Orb and the store is used to buy skin/outfit/gacha/boost/upgrade gear chance etc...
so people are free to spend money or not.

the way to farm the orb is still unknown but i guess there will be a weekly bounty to get the Rose Orb or maybe even daily but this only on the JP,and AGS version is already confirmed the shop and the fee structure is different, so pray for them to leave in that way if some one is a f2p player.

[Drimon]

Originally posted by GhostBear:

I don't really see what the point of all this even is. If someone doesn't want to pay a cent then that's that persons choice. Good F2P games are ones where you can spend as much as you want while not being forced to.

You also shouldn't call free players "stupid leeches". If you removed every free player and players that don't spend more than essentials then you have an extremely low population and then even whales will leave the game and then you have what is what people like to call a "dead game" which runs risk of losing the remaining whales over high queue times and a dead world and then the game officially dies.

You need both whales and free/low paying players for F2P to strive. Can't have just one side.

If Free Players dont cry so much i would not say anything.
I was also a Free Player back in my Childhood with FLYFF, Runes of Magic and Allods.
I was never crying about a Free Game giving a Player who Supports the Game with Money a adventage.
Runes of Magic was even so Pay2Win on a PvP Server that 1 Person could kill all Players on the Servers and even City Guards and making Dungeons Solo.
This was killing the PvP Servers pretty fast.

I have good memories about People crying about the Inventory Space in Allods and that you need to pay Money to make the space bigger.

If someone wants to play free they can do it and have fun with it but dont expect a Dev Team who needs to Eat and make a profit to give a Free Player not any disadvantages over a Paying Player.

A F2P Game should be FAIR no Questions but there should be always a disadvantages for Players so that they need to pay something.
If the Game is good Players should give some Money to the Team

[Ginebra]

People often have some misconceptions about "F2P", it actually means "Forced 2 Pay".

[Izaru]

My issue with F2P monetization is the intent. Creating problems and selling solutions. An incomplete/flawed product where you buy the missing parts. An RNG fiesta that can be bypassed with your wallet. It's never "just cosmetics".

Even if you can get a relatively decent experience out of it without paying, I find the psychology behind it pretty annoying. People are more than willing to pay for a quality product if it's upfront and fair. I mean, the two biggest MMOs on the market have a subscription model.