I need an explaination regarding the censorship...

[Mr_Bloodjack]

So I looked at a lot of posts here and, maybe I missed some huge information because...
From what I understand, this game with a huge open world, tons of stuff to do, good looking fights...etc
The outburst of rage, boycott and revolution about freedom of speech come from the fact that they removed the skirt on a child ?

[Purromi]

Purromi の投稿を引用：

It's much more complicated and so far everyone is simplifying it to their own opinions and emotions.

They need to employee entire team and pay them to do that massive amount of work to design these clothes and re-edit them to fit the world. As it can be understandable from logical point of view on these little characters on other<ADULT> is just spending money on stuff that no one care about
This mean it can be over 13 000$ to censor few skins (1-4 as 3D artists earn that amount of money in gamedev companies) and no it's not about one NPC but about all of the clothes.


Lets ask one question and analyze the stuff.
Only these people who see sexual themes in this type of content are bad and it mean amazon see perversion in every part of human body. for example like old toons.. only people who are pervy see pervy stuff in toons. It's not cause of the toons but of the brain of person who watches it. Explaining to such a person that there is nothing sexual there does not matter because she sees it anyway and will say that you are wrong but there's something wrong with the top people who make these decisions because they see sexual motives where no one else sees them and I am very discouraged by how amazon sees the world for them, an exposed belly is a sexual object, for amazon woman=sexual object and it's sick and i think amazon directors are depraved and no amount of corporate talk will change that. Also note it's only my opinion and I don't want anything to do with people/companies who see the world that way .

Which is better for you? just answer: playing game with nice models or bad models?
Which publisher is better: this which spent 10 000$ on fixing bugs, baning bots or this one who spent money on not necesseary stuff that cost a lot? models are models and they need to be good in terms of quality.

From few perspectives it's understandable for some type of characters and should be but
eh that's complicated.. it's their work and should be done perfectly - which is good? what not? how to do it ? how much we can spent on this? it's necessary? it will improve our game? they are taking it simple.. looking at lost ark they censor to much and even adult female/male characters and they see everywhere in every skin that expose body that qualify to censor. for me... it's toxic and please note it's only my opinion

but at most it's lack of competence, spending money on stupid things instead of taking care of better servers, designs, etc.

anyway lets wait for details and judge them. if they just decide that an exposed belly <on an adult female body> is a sex object then in my opinion there is something wrong with them

read this

[KissXsis]

arthurpaivasg の投稿を引用：

It baffles me that some people attack the person instead of the argument.

Yes this is a discussion there are white knights trying to bash individual so the Mod comes down and locks the discussion. Please keep personal attacks out of the discussion form as "weeb this" p3d0" this is not constructive to censorship is general. Also EU people can go lick a salt rock because yall got the most fascist laws over there which is probably in part with this problem for western players. If every EU had a set of laws and didn't have 200 censorship laws global players would not be in the predicament. Honestly the only way to change this is to get some sane people to retract laws from the EU and EU like nations but honestly that isn't going happen to I digress

TDLR:::: there should be a North/South America & Sea server where we keep it like JP and a EU (including Australia) version with the hardcore censorship it only seems fair to the global market.

[KissXsis]

Also on that note we all can say like that was mentioned we want publishers to stop wasting money on stupid stuff and use that money to build more content for a better game.

[arthurpaivasg]

KissXsis の投稿を引用：

arthurpaivasg の投稿を引用：

It baffles me that some people attack the person instead of the argument.

Yes this is a discussion there are white knights trying to bash individual so the Mod comes down and locks the discussion. Please keep personal attacks out of the discussion form as "weeb this" p3d0" this is not constructive to censorship is general. Also EU people can go lick a salt rock because yall got the most fascist laws over there which is probably in part with this problem for western players. If every EU had a set of laws and didn't have 200 censorship laws global players would not be in the predicament. Honestly the only way to change this is to get some sane people to retract laws from the EU and EU like nations but honestly that isn't going happen to I digress

TDLR:::: there should be a North/South America & Sea server where we keep it like JP and a EU (including Australia) version with the hardcore censorship it only seems fair to the global market.

I don't know if there is anything to do with laws or age rating. Let me copy and paste a comment I made in another post( https://steamcommunity.com/app/2139230/discussions/0/3783624583047768184/?tscn=1677959590 )

"On this topic of games' age rating, Goddess of Victory: Nikke was "censored" before its release by its publisher(Tencent). Tencent said the game couldn't be published globally with a low age rating. So, the devs made some changes to the game. HOWEVER, keep in mind that there is only one version of Nikke available to the whole world, the "censored" one.
So, what do you guys think Nikke's age rating is? Answer: 12+
But go have a look at the game's characters ;)"

When I wrote this, I forgot to mention that Tower of Fantasy ( https://store.steampowered.com/app/2064650/Tower_of_Fantasy/ ) age rating is 10(same as Blue Protocol) and isn't censored/westernized/culturalized at all. Go take a look at the character creator and skins(character skins and simulacra skins). It's also worth noting that Tower of Fantasy is a Chinese game which means the CCP has to approve everything before it gets published in China and worldwide.

So, I don't think what AGS is doing has something to do with laws or age rating. They are doing it just because they can/want.

[Purromi]

does amazon really want 10y kids to play mmo with adults?i understand it correctly ? this is purpose of this rating? ?

[TOTTO]

arthurpaivasg の投稿を引用：

"On this topic of games' age rating, Goddess of Victory: Nikke was "censored" before its release by its publisher(Tencent). Tencent said the game couldn't be published globally with a low age rating. So, the devs made some changes to the game. HOWEVER, keep in mind that there is only one version of Nikke available to the whole world, the "censored" one.
So, what do you guys think Nikke's age rating is? Answer: 12+
But go have a look at the game's characters ;)"

When I wrote this, I forgot to mention that Tower of Fantasy ( https://store.steampowered.com/app/2064650/Tower_of_Fantasy/ ) age rating is 10(same as Blue Protocol) and isn't censored/westernized/culturalized at all. Go take a look at the character creator and skins(character skins and simulacra skins). It's also worth noting that Tower of Fantasy is a Chinese game which means the CCP has to approve everything before it gets published in China and worldwide.

So, I don't think what AGS is doing has something to do with laws or age rating. They are doing it just because they can/want.

if i remember TOF was censored but (if i don't say wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPXy9KlOMNs&ab_channel=HeroHei ) the china is even uncesored and the global got censored, and for nikke at the end got censored but we have the same version of korea so idk if this can be call censorship but more (edited for appeal all coutry audiance) every one have the same version, exept china because (u know ) this is what i want for BP same version for all country exept china because is impossible, and really i don't understand how nikke didn't get even more censored, like the character Alice i will never put it on a pegi 12 game, max on a 16, and this is why censorship is always stupid and useless for me now day the editors they don't know what need censor and what did not and nikke is a pure prove where censorship for a T/12 rate can be push

[TOTTO]

Purromi の投稿を引用：

does amazon really want 10y kids to play mmo with adults?i understand it correctly ? this is purpose of this rating? ?

yes BP in JP is rated with the CERO rate as C so for 15 years up if we categorize our will be Pegi 16 ESRB T ,AGS put down the Pegi rate to 12 to make it more appealing for child base, an MMO for children

Pegi 16 because is the most close for the CERO restriction and 12 dont reach the limit this is why get censored
ESRB T because BP don't contain blood/gore and have a more large restriction base,

this is why is better than Pegi, Pegi have a stupid restriction with 12/16 and AGS was thinking for 16 was too high, not like ESRB for T/M and got directly for almost to adult audience, even if i never see a game with an A rated so i really don't know how US use that, AGS did the pek doing this. and now he will censor everything that not appeal the Pegi 12 and not 16. and i will remember to all, Nikke is a Pegi 12 having a lot of skin expose.

[arthurpaivasg]

Purromi の投稿を引用：

does amazon really want 10y kids to play mmo with adults?i understand it correctly ? this is purpose of this rating? ?

We don't know how hard the content will be. However, I can imagine kids with a tank class(Aegis Fighter) going full dps. It will be chaos.

TOTTO の投稿を引用：

arthurpaivasg の投稿を引用：

"On this topic of games' age rating, Goddess of Victory: Nikke was "censored" before its release by its publisher(Tencent). Tencent said the game couldn't be published globally with a low age rating. So, the devs made some changes to the game. HOWEVER, keep in mind that there is only one version of Nikke available to the whole world, the "censored" one.
So, what do you guys think Nikke's age rating is? Answer: 12+
But go have a look at the game's characters ;)"

When I wrote this, I forgot to mention that Tower of Fantasy ( https://store.steampowered.com/app/2064650/Tower_of_Fantasy/ ) age rating is 10(same as Blue Protocol) and isn't censored/westernized/culturalized at all. Go take a look at the character creator and skins(character skins and simulacra skins). It's also worth noting that Tower of Fantasy is a Chinese game which means the CCP has to approve everything before it gets published in China and worldwide.

So, I don't think what AGS is doing has something to do with laws or age rating. They are doing it just because they can/want.

if i remember TOF was censored but (if i don't say wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPXy9KlOMNs&ab_channel=HeroHei ) the china is even uncesored and the global got censored, and for nikke at the end got censored but we have the same version of korea so idk if this can be call censorship but more (edited for appeal all coutry audiance) every one have the same version, exept china because (u know ) this is what i want for BP same version for all country exept china because is impossible, and really i don't understand how nikke didn't get even more censored, like the character Alice i will never put it on a pegi 12 game, max on a 16, and this is why censorship is always stupid and useless for me now day the editors they don't know what need censor and what did not and nikke is a pure prove where censorship for a T/12 rate can be push

Nope. These images are from the Chinese Beta Tests before the game even launched. They changed a lot of things before the game launched in CN. Truth be told, the global version has a boob slide, but the Chinese version doesn't. There are a lot of risqué skins like Lin's Swimsuit one. The game also has violence and a slightly dark setting, but there is no blood, so it can have a 10 age rating.

[TOTTO]

arthurpaivasg の投稿を引用：

Nope. These images are from the Chinese Beta Tests before the game even launched. They changed a lot of things before the game launched in CN. Truth be told, the global version has a boob slide, but the Chinese version doesn't. There are a lot of risqué skins like Lin's Swimsuit one. The game also has violence and a slightly dark setting, but there is no blood, so it can have a 10 age rating.

so is like nikke, changed at the end.didn't know that thx.

[arthurpaivasg]

TOTTO の投稿を引用：

arthurpaivasg の投稿を引用：

Nope. These images are from the Chinese Beta Tests before the game even launched. They changed a lot of things before the game launched in CN. Truth be told, the global version has a boob slide, but the Chinese version doesn't. There are a lot of risqué skins like Lin's Swimsuit one. The game also has violence and a slightly dark setting, but there is no blood, so it can have a 10 age rating.

so is like nikke, changed at the end.didn't know that thx.

Exactly! The difference is that in Nikke's case, Tencent asked/demanded the developers to change/censor the game otherwise they wouldn't be able to publish it globally. And in ToF's case, we don't have an official reason for the changes.

Edit: Formmating

[Purromi]

so they really want adults and 12yo kidorans to play their mmo (which is social game based genre) together? xdd wtjhhhh

[Doson・ザ・ロリ好き紳士]

Purromi の投稿を引用：

so they really want adults and 12yo kidorans to play their mmo (which is social game based genre) together? xdd wtjhhhh

"Online interactions not rated by the ESRB." Why they would even recommend an MMO for "kids" or "family" is beyond me. Delusional dumbasses at Amazon, once again, not understanding the audience.

[Soseke]

Lets be honest, Amazon is just bunch of pedos and racist who try to cover it by censoring a game.

[Shylaar]

With today's confirmation of even more censorship including the removal of an entire body type from character creation, I think the lesson of "it's never just one thing" should be well understood. But I suspect the people defending it will continue to stick their heads in the sand and fail to understand this.

[Milkdust]

Mr_Bloodjack の投稿を引用：

So I looked at a lot of posts here and, maybe I missed some huge information because...
From what I understand, this game with a huge open world, tons of stuff to do, good looking fights...etc
The outburst of rage, boycott and revolution about freedom of speech come from the fact that they removed the skirt on a child ?

It might be difficult for you to process, as you may embrace the same perspective as those working for Amazon--people who gleefully infantilize themselves on a daily basis, but customers, broadly speaking, do not appreciate being similarly infantilized, which is exactly what this "localized" release from Amazon is doing.