Blue Protocol

Blue Protocol

Miilos Dec 9, 2022 @ 12:38pm
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Message to AGS (Amazon Game Studios)
DISCLAIMER: I have not played or had direct dealings with any AGS-made or published games myself, so my concerns are purely based on feedback from others (that is already flooding this discussion as it is), but... Amazon... please... this is all we need from you:

1.) Translate the game
2.) Run game on decent servers
3.) Good communication and support
4.) JP dub option
5.) No predatory financial scheme (decent amount of cosmetics not locked behind randomized paywall)

The thing that concerns me is the comments on making the game "approachable to Western players". I don't know what exactly is meant by that, but if it means the things I'm told have happened to your prior properties, WE (western players) DO NOT WANT THAT.

99% of your prospective player base has been here for YEARS before you got (publicly) involved. We do not want or need a game that has been altered to be "appropriate" for our "delicate needs". The target player base of this game is not interested in censorship, nor are we interested in a "westernized" version of the game.

This game needs minimal work to be "approachable" to the western audience that wants it. All we ask is for a good translation and decent servers and support. That's all we need. That's all we want.

I, unlike most, am going to try to put faith into you guys that you'll work closely with Bandai on this game and deliver the game we want and give it good support. The feedback on you guys I'm getting from others is not so optimistic, but I've been waiting for this game for too long not to hope.

if anyone at AGS bothers to read this and tries to do something about it, thank you. We've been waiting a long time for this. Please don't mess it up for us.

Sincerely,
-a large base of western players who are tired of anime/eastern games getting fundamentally ruined by western publishers trying to make it "appropriate" for us-
Last edited by Miilos; Dec 9, 2022 @ 12:40pm
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sbeve Dec 9, 2022 @ 1:01pm 
good to see the direction of this games, with now thread being locked in this board, yeap it was fun while it lasted boys
Xash Dec 9, 2022 @ 1:07pm 
Don't count on it to get any of those wishes granted ^^

You can expect random color change of some characters with complete disregard to the world or even parents.
Servers, yeah well, IF they run they're okay for some time but don't count on it first week(s). Although that's a rather common issue with MMOs to be fair.
As for support: yeah well, you can get lucky but don't count on it. Any game related stuff is rather not a thing you can except decent help with - at least not until you get passed along a few times and get lucky some day ^^
Anything remotely too sexy in Amazon's eyes will get censored. ALso hard to uncensor. Even now, almost a year after Lost Ark West release there's still no patch for it!
Asian dub took a while to get implemented as well.
Financially, well, that depends from person to person. I never spent a dime to advance only the basic premium to support the devs and make my life easier. In my opinion roughly 9-15€ each month is a fair deal for the fun you can get.

So yeah, guess we'll have to see what they're gonna mess up this time. I mean, it's free. We can always uninstall.
Decim Dec 9, 2022 @ 1:30pm 
In a perfect world, AGS would do nothing but provide better servers and an English translation of the JP version, no changes, censorship, modifications to anything.

But looking at how different the TGA trailer and the JP trailer feels + naming a class foe breaker... FOE BREAKER! tells me they are determined on making everything more wo-- 'appropriate' for themselves rather than the players who would simply be content with having a port of the JP version but in English.

For gods sake, AGS, please just be a background character for once with this game, you can go make New World and Lost Ark completely western for all I care, just leave Blue Protocol alone.
あらあら、うふふ! Dec 9, 2022 @ 2:05pm 
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Originally posted by Miilos:
The thing that concerns me is the comments on making the game "approachable to Western players". I don't know what exactly is meant by that, but if it means the things I'm told have happened to your prior properties, WE (western players) DO NOT WANT THAT.

Sadly, they aren't going to localise the game, and that's what we all the players want (except the woke Twitter crowd that won't play the game, of course).

They are going to westernise the release, which means:

→ They will blackwash NPCs if Bandai doesn't have a wide range of black NPCs in the game. They want inclusivity... forcing the change of race... to NPCs instead of creating new ones...

→ They will modify the character creation to suit their tastes, which means they will remove Japanese presets while they include Amazon's ordered presets. In other words, you might find videos of a Japanese player with a female wearing a bun. On the day of creation, you won't have that bun. Instead, you will have an afro hairstyle. They will remove styles, so you have less options. Removing options for them means that you might be inclined to use their presets.

→ Every content shown in betas won't matter, especially the ones affecting visuals. Amazon changed the undies(no armor) in Lost Ark to something that resembles a plate set before release. They also decided to remove one class and changed it for another weeks before release after the betas. Surprise for you, mommyrailer!

→ They will randomly change names because they think they're cool... or something like that. Imagine one boss in the game is called Fūjin (lit. "Wind God"). Do you think they will rename Fūjin to "Wind God"? Noooooo. They'll probably call him Akwokwo because screw you and screw any lore ever created about this game.

→ If you dare to complain with constructive criticism, they will say: "Yes, yes. We are talking with Bandai Namco. Stay tuned." That means nothing. It's a simple way to shoo you off.

On top of that, they might hold classes hostage to release them later down the line with special item shop packages for said classes.


It doesn't matter how much we cry. They won't localise the game. They intend to westernise it, and that's already in the works. Did you ever hear about Japanizing beam? Amazon has its counterpart — Wokenisation beam. And they already shot it against this game.
Last edited by あらあら、うふふ!; Dec 9, 2022 @ 2:08pm
milkmandan Dec 9, 2022 @ 2:18pm 
100% this OP post. Please Amazon don't play the villan.
Masa Dec 9, 2022 @ 2:22pm 
"Sincerely,
-a large base of western players who are tired of anime/eastern games getting fundamentally ruined by western publishers trying to make it "appropriate" for us-"

Too late, AGS already stated they will make changes to make Blue Protocol more suitable for Westerners.
Miilos Dec 9, 2022 @ 2:24pm 
Originally posted by Masa:
"Sincerely,
-a large base of western players who are tired of anime/eastern games getting fundamentally ruined by western publishers trying to make it "appropriate" for us-"

Too late, AGS already stated they will make changes to make Blue Protocol more suitable for Westerners.

1.) and given no details on what that entails
2.) the game is still almost a year away, there is some small, almost negligible chance the corporate machine might actually listen to feedback and not slaughter this game for us...... or that Bamco could see all the blasting and doomposting, look into AGS, and pull out in favor of another publisher (or self-publishing) before AGS has a chance to slaughter their game
Silvara Dec 9, 2022 @ 4:07pm 
1,000% agree on this. Please, please, please AGS, don't "westernize" this game. Just faithful translations and provide the servers. No changing characters, names, outfits, etc. Don't waste your own developers' time, just host the game and nothing more.

Edit to add: We should also probably make sure to do what we can to ensure Bandai Namco themselves know about our displeasure with them choosing AGS as publisher and encourage them to self-publish in the west. AGS has too much of a track record of ignoring any and all feedback for our voices to be heard by their devs.
Last edited by Silvara; Dec 9, 2022 @ 4:16pm
Miilos Dec 9, 2022 @ 5:03pm 
Originally posted by Silvara:
1,000% agree on this. Please, please, please AGS, don't "westernize" this game. Just faithful translations and provide the servers. No changing characters, names, outfits, etc. Don't waste your own developers' time, just host the game and nothing more.

Edit to add: We should also probably make sure to do what we can to ensure Bandai Namco themselves know about our displeasure with them choosing AGS as publisher and encourage them to self-publish in the west. AGS has too much of a track record of ignoring any and all feedback for our voices to be heard by their devs.

Depending on how far along their deal is (I've heard mention that they've had a deal going since sometime in 2021, by now they may have already signed a contract) it may be too late for that, but yeah doesn't hurt to let Bamco know they may have messed up xD
Shylaar Dec 9, 2022 @ 5:53pm 
Originally posted by ¡ʎɯɯoɯ:
→ They will randomly change names because they think they're cool... or something like that. Imagine one boss in the game is called Fūjin (lit. "Wind God"). Do you think they will rename Fūjin to "Wind God"? Noooooo. They'll probably call him Akwokwo because screw you and screw any lore ever created about this game.
Name changes are already present, Aerinse's name has been changed to Aeryn in the western version.
https://blue-protocol.com/game/#character
https://www.playblueprotocol.com/en-gb/game/story

Everything you're talking about is just localisation, by the way. If you don't want things getting butchered in the name of appealing to the west, you should be asking for a translation, not a localisation.
Originally posted by Shylaar:
Originally posted by ¡ʎɯɯoɯ:
→ They will randomly change names because they think they're cool... or something like that. Imagine one boss in the game is called Fūjin (lit. "Wind God"). Do you think they will rename Fūjin to "Wind God"? Noooooo. They'll probably call him Akwokwo because screw you and screw any lore ever created about this game.
Name changes are already present, Aerinse's name has been changed to Aeryn in the western version.
https://blue-protocol.com/game/#character
https://www.playblueprotocol.com/en-gb/game/story

Everything you're talking about is just localisation, by the way. If you don't want things getting butchered in the name of appealing to the west, you should be asking for a translation, not a localisation.

A literal translation makes no sense, especially for expressions and such. Whenever you see a translation from one country to another, they don't simply translate. They localise.

The expression killing two birds with the same stone literally translated from my language to English is killing two birds with the same bullet. How would you feel if you read the last sentence out of the blue in your game because someone translated the script from my language? With an awful aftertaste, of course.

The same happens with jokes. Some jokes in the Asian language aren't funny to us or don't make sense, and vice versa, so they're replaced with something that makes sense in your language. So, no. I want a localisation and not a translation.

Amazon changing the names of NPCs is not localising. They're being incompetent. It's different.

There's also a subtle difference between including (ADDING) things on top of what the game already has and what Amazon always do. That's not quite localising. That's a terrible localisation called westernisation. When you say that a game has been westernised instead of localised, you do it pejoratively.

We want the game to be localised. To adopt our hate against the predatory gacha business model, if applicable, that Asians love but not us. We also need to have coherent blocks of text in our native languages and nothing else. That falls under localisation. But there are more things added into the localisation that we don't want to have, like blackwashed Asian NPCs (because they never add, they only modify, and the result is horrible) that feel out of place because Amazon wants to push their agenda.

Your car might have six gears, but that doesn't mean you have to use all of them all the time.
Last edited by あらあら、うふふ!; Dec 9, 2022 @ 6:53pm
Shylaar Dec 9, 2022 @ 7:34pm 
Originally posted by ¡ʎɯɯoɯ:
A literal translation makes no sense, especially for expressions and such. Whenever you see a translation from one country to another, they don't simply translate. They localise.
Not all translation is literal translation. You have mistaken the act of basic translation for localisation, when localisation is what groups like Working Designs did. Absolutely no one who asks for translations is ever asking for 1:1 word replacement with nothing done to make it actually readable. That isn't what translation is. The issue here is entirely you having your definitions confused. What you're terming "westernisation" is just what localisation is, and what you're calling localisation is just what basic translation is.
There's a reason why localisation companies always jump to "it's not translation, it's localisation!" to defend their garbage rewrites.

I do not want localisations, ever. To say you want localisation over translation is to say you don't actually want the story as it was written at all.
Last edited by Shylaar; Dec 9, 2022 @ 7:35pm
Xash Dec 10, 2022 @ 2:02am 
Originally posted by ¡ʎɯɯoɯ:
Originally posted by Shylaar:

The same happens with jokes. Some jokes in the Asian language aren't funny to us or don't make sense, and vice versa, so they're replaced with something that makes sense in your language. So, no. I want a localisation and not a translation.

But leaving eg mentioned jokes as they are, we are actually learning something about the asian culture! When we change it, it's not as it originally was meant to be.
Many people learn something this way, just as many do from watching anime. Imagine everything being westernized in them, how strange would that be?
Decim Dec 10, 2022 @ 6:01am 
Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Chillwind ⎠⎞:
Like is there anything in the game anyone has seen thus far that makes them really excited and like they'd want to grind hours for it?

It's possible the trailer only showed the starter gear (cause they all looked the same). Future gear and the fact that it's made by a JP studio means we'll see some cool looking gear/skins as time goes on... providing AGS doesn't western them for no other reason other than to s**t on anime fans.


Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Chillwind ⎠⎞:
In the end of the day a huge part of MMO's is visual bling,

This! This is what some people who are okay with AGS potential censorship and AGS themselves don't seem to understand when we're worried about possible censorship. The endgame... true endgame of every MMORPG is the fashion/glamour.

They clearly don't understand how much fun it is to wear a badass, skimpy or downright ridiculous outfit like a wearing only a pumpkin head and speedos to kill the hardest raid boss.

You might get bored when you kill the same raid boss 100+ times with the same looking gear. You might get bored if the gear/skins aren't cute/badass/cool enough to farm/buy. Hell, you might even get bored playing with the same race/gender for 1k+ hours. That's just the nature of mmorpgs.

When I had time to play ffxiv for hours every day, I changed my race and gender to something different at least once every 6 months and every change felt like a whole new experience. Playing as a roe black mage and a lalafell black mage felt completely different even though both races had the same skills.

If AGS is going to limit this freedom of choice that MMORPG tend to have or to censor anything because it's not 'appropriate' then they made a mistake investing in Blue Protocol cause they clearly don't know what anime/mmorpg fans want to see.
Last edited by Decim; Dec 10, 2022 @ 6:05am
hiraku Dec 10, 2022 @ 7:38am 
They already incorrectly translated class names which should be the easiest thing to translate considering they already had english names, but yeah, they just outsource their translation to some indian sweatshop most likely, lost ark was full of ♥♥♥♥ that made absolutely 0 sense, don't expect AGS to really do anything beneficial for the game besides throw their huge marketing budget around.
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