Trails games are too expensive and greedy. Especially the decade old games ported to English and slapped with current game price tag.

[Leo Major]

(excluding this game cause it's brand new but I am posting here because it's the newest release that Nihon Falcom should see)

Thy are overpriced and games like trails of cold steel selling dlcs that are basically the equivalent of cheat codes.

Want 10 of items x y z? Well back in the day you used cheat codes or remember game shark memory cards/discs?

Well for Legends of Heroes, trails of steel you pay 1-3$ depending if its on sale or not.

I played legend of heroes trails in teh sky 1,2 and 3 and I've been wanting to play trails of cold steel, trails from azure, trails of zero etc.... but I can't believe how expensive they all are still despite waiting for a 75-80% discount to scoop them all up or a bundle for the cold steel games. (and other devs like Square Enix is just as bad where they have all these sub par JRPGS That came out in the past 5 years and they are all over priced too... even as good as octopath traveler was... it's just seems like they are milking money for a 2D game even though it is beautiful for what it is... 80$ really? You would think they would charge 80$ for games like final fantasy and 50-60 for octopath)

Also keep in mind I am using CAD prices so a 60 USD game is 80 CAD and a 80 USD game is 100 CAD (like the newest games Avatar, Diablo 4, Hogwarts legacy all came to just over 100$ CAD After tax etc)


I won't torrent these games because the older I get the more I care about owning the game and getting those superficial but yet so sought after "achievement texts"

I really want to play the whole trails of cold steel games but there isn't even a bundle to buy them all for like 60$ but not they expect you to buy them separately and even during the Xmas sale. Trails of cold steel is a game that came out in 2013 in JP and 2015 in USA. You still ask 25$ plus tax and that's at a 50% discount.

I understand your newer games like Reverie and Daybreak being 80$ CAD (though really, did you guys spend as much on dev as AAA companys spend on their 80$ games...? How about even as much as Larian spent on BG3 that charges 80 CAD........ I doubt it..... Yet you can buy the newest Assassins creed Mirage for 70$ at launch and right now its 48.99$ on Epic Store with a 30% discount and that game just literally came out or go back just 1 game to Valhalla which is discounted by 75% down to just 20$ on steam, Hogwarts Legacy was another 80$ CAD game and it's down to 40$ CAD)



So I can buy Assassins Creed Valhalla for 20$ or god of war half off for 32$ ( and I'm not interested in these AAA well rated games) or spend 25$ on Trails of Cold Steel 1 which was a PS VITA/ps3 game and then Cold steel 2 for 25$ 3 for 27$ and 4 for 40$............ Trails of Zero is 41$ and trails to Azure for 50$ .................To me the math ain't mathing.

You guys make great JRPGS but then charge more money then AAA games with 10x the dev costs. Another thing too is.... I'm sure you make enough money from the Japan release alone to cover the localization and translation costs for these games that takes years to port to english.... and then you charge North America for it like they are brand new releases.... when they are in fact 2-3 year old games "ported" to English.

Heck you even still sell the very first game Trails in the Sky for 22$ CAD and only throw a 50% xmas discount on it for an 11$ hit. As great as Trails in the sky was.... it was still a low budget game that only just put Nihon Falcom on the map.... and going back to play it now feels like you are playing a Nintendo 64/ps1 game. It came out in 2004 and was put on steam in 2014. How many games that are 20 years old are still on steam for 22$ CAD?

Here are some other games that came out in 2014 that are cheaper then Trails in the sky FC

GTA 5 is 40$ on sale for 15$
Metro Redux is 27$ on a 90% discount for 3$
Oh hey look Trails of Col Steel 3 is and 80$ GAME 67% discount for 26$
Dragon Age Inquisition is 55$ on a 80% discount for 11$

And I am comparing 2014 prices when it came out on steam. Not 2004 when the game actually came out.

Lets do 2004 games if I can find them on Steam.

Halo 2 is a 13$ game on a 75% discount for 3.25$
Half life 2 is a 13$ game on a 90% discount for 1.29$
Doom 3 is a 13$ game on a 60% discount for 5.39
Vampire the Masquerade is a 25$ game on sale for 11$ (wow they are greedy too)
Rome total war was a 2004 release that you can no longer buy BUT you can buy the remastered version which is a 40$ game with a 66% discount for 13.59
STAR WARS™ Battlefront (Classic, 2004) is a 13$ game on sale for 5.19$ or if you are feeling bold you can buy the 2015 version for 20 cents more.
Counter Strike Source is a 13$ game on a 90% discount for 1.30$
Mafia Came out in 2002 and is a 17$ game on a 67% sale for 5.60 (ripoff still)
Manhunt is an 11$ game on a 65% discount for 3.84.
Myst IV is a 20$ game on a 60% discount for 7.80$


Heck even the Metal Gear solid 3 snake eater master collection that game out this year which is a "port" is a 27$ game on a 20% discount already for 22$ still cheaper then what you want for trails of cold steel 1


I Love the trails games and I love supporting companies but I rarely buy new releases unless I really want them like the Resident evil 4 remake or Hogwarts Legacy or Avatar etc

I would pay 50$ for all the trails of cold steel games in a bundle but I wouldn't pay 110$ plus tax for the 4 of them.

Like I said go ahead and charge your 60 USD/80 CAD for new releases like Reverie and Daybreak.... but stop being so greedy with the older games.... you are not giving people an incentive to go back and buy them unless money isn't an issue for them and they don't mind paying silly prices for older games.


You guys take your games like Trails From/to Zero/Azure which came out all the way back in 2010/2011.... and then release them in 2022/2023 on steam, act like it's a brand new game, and throw a 55$ price tag and only give a measly 10/25% discount on it this xmas sale for 41/50$ CAD

You are charging people a base price of 55$ for a 2010/2011 game that was translated to English and given some QOL improvements. Charging people full price for a game you already developed, sold and made a profit in Japan, simply for an English translation. I get translation and Localization costs money.... but don't act like it costs enough to charge 55$........ When you made Trails From Zero and put it out for 60$ (80 CAD) back in 2011 that was to cover teh dev cost and voice actors and text. So it makes absolutely no sense that you finally port it over to English with the game already developed and cut scenes made and then slap a 55$ price tag on it.

These are great JRPGS but they are not worthy of a 55$ price tag in 2023 just because you gave it English voice/text.

Why not charge 100$ for Trails in the sky FC all the way to Trails of Cold Steel 4 bundle? including the Azure/Zero english releases? Or If that's too much to ask then do FC,SC,TC, Cold Steel 1-4 for 100$ and then charge 50% for Azure/Zero Bundle?

I bet you would have way more people buying these games instead of just torrenting them, beating them, and never going back because...... JPRGS Are long long games that people don't always go back to replay after they beat it or spent 50+ hours on the game.

I feel like there is alot of "double dipping" going on by Nihon Falcom releasing the same game twice for the same amount in different languages when most companies (especially in 2023... and especially for game franchise like Trails in the sky that sell well in both ♥♥♥/NA) will release the game with both English/Japanese Audio/Text.

At this point your company is big enough and makes good enough games that don't need to release the game in Japan first and then port it to Eng years later... you could have made the "kuro no kiseki" aka Daybreak game with both languages upon release.

Since this is a Trails forum I assume I am going to get alot of fanboy/shill pushback and people telling me If I don't like it then don't buy it etc etc but I don't care. This is a message to the devs.... I understand people othen then teh devs moderate the steam forums but I'm hoping someone in Nihon Falcom sees this and considers lowering the base price of their older games or giving them more then a 50% discount. Or Bundles them all into a very reasonable deal

Thanks for reading whether you agree or disagree.

[aura_lysander]

I just bought Baldurs Gate 3 and it double charged my bank account and i disputed it but haven't heard anything about a refund.

[Leo Major]

Ok and? You should get that money back...... even if they take longer then you would like......

[larcek]

comparing the releases of a company with less than hundred employees (being nihon falcom) with companies with thousands of employees, dozens of releases all year round and a huge marketing is just an odd choice. if you don't want to spend money for dlc, or the main games, just skip or wait for a sale, they do happen every so often.

as such, they simply are more likely required to make the money they spend on the development with given prices.

and on that note, it's not just nihon falcom, just look at bandai namco (or other big companies) for comparison, who also rarely do discounts even though they could manage alot better.

if you still want to cheat, well, just do it, trainers and cheatengines still exist.

[Evangela]

Yeah, old games shouldn't be priced like new. Doesn't matter if it's the first time being available in English.

You want 60 USD? Release games at the same time as Japanese console version.

[Leo Major]

Originally posted by Evangela:

Yeah, old games shouldn't be priced like new. Doesn't matter if it's the first time being available in English.

You want 60 USD? Release games at the same time as Japanese console version.

Exactly my point

Charging us 60 CAD for Trails to Zero or Trails from Azure when they are older then all the cold steel games which are cheaper is DISGUSTING MONEY GRABBING BULLSH

and I refuse to pay for it

And I am very generous to devs with my money, I have so many games on steam I bought "just to have" or "to support them" or "because I use to play them back when I was a broke kid" just to give back.

But I don't support greed.

[marionettethree]

I thought Trails series game are on the cheap side for JRPG series?

Try comparing the price with other popular JRPG series like Atelier and see what expensive really mean.

[Koby]

Originally posted by A:

Originally posted by Evangela:

Yeah, old games shouldn't be priced like new. Doesn't matter if it's the first time being available in English.

You want 60 USD? Release games at the same time as Japanese console version.

Exactly my point

Charging us 60 USD for Trails to Zero or Trails from Azure when they are older then all the cold steel games which are cheaper is DISGUSTING MONEY GRABBING BULLSH

and I refuse to pay for it

And I am very generous to devs with my money, I have so many games on steam I bought "just to have" or "to support them" or "because I use to play them back when I was a broke kid" just to give back.

But I don't support greed.

Zero and Azure were never $60 USD. MSRP is $40, they were discounted to like $33 on release day, and are currently $29 on sale at the time of this post.

[Leo Major]

Originally posted by Koby:

Originally posted by A:

Exactly my point

Charging us 60 USD for Trails to Zero or Trails from Azure when they are older then all the cold steel games which are cheaper is DISGUSTING MONEY GRABBING BULLSH

and I refuse to pay for it

And I am very generous to devs with my money, I have so many games on steam I bought "just to have" or "to support them" or "because I use to play them back when I was a broke kid" just to give back.

But I don't support greed.

Zero and Azure were never $60 USD. MSRP is $40, they were discounted to like $33 on release day, and are currently $29 on sale at the time of this post.

THank you changed it to CAD

[Legendary Mr. Tiddles]

The price for these games is within my range but what I really like is that you get a complete game from the get-go, the way God intended.

...and then you have to buy the many, many sequels because of those darned cliffhangers.

[KNDY です]

I thought this game would be on sale during the Spring Sale....nope.

[Koby]

Originally posted by ケネディ (KNDY):

I thought this game would be on sale during the Spring Sale....nope.

Don't expect this to go on sale until after the official English patch is out. Same thing happened with Nayuta.

[Knight]

Dragons Dogma 2 coming out and this still has no sale.

[NoxJS]

Greed always trumps common sense, mainly in those countries full of gatcha and shi..

[Pozhinateli]

Originally posted by Tactics 1998:

Dragons Dogma 2 coming out and this still has no sale.

Dragons Dogma 2 is woke game and you compare this crap to The Legend of Heroes

[Evangela]

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Originally posted by Tactics 1998:

Dragons Dogma 2 coming out and this still has no sale.

Dragons Dogma 2 is woke game and you compare this crap to The Legend of Heroes

Legend of Heroes are also woke, because the western localizers added/altered the dialogues.