About those kill all cards like all is dust

[cyberjnkee]

Really, they need to add those to all decks or get rid of them altogether. Lets lower level players come back from poor play andwin when they really deserved to be trounced. Or worse yet, play a scheme where they wait until you are OP then kill everything and nickel and dime you. I think if you use those cards...like "all is dust" you're a puss and should just stop playing.

[Drimble Wedge🐉]

Those types of cards have been around since day one. They're not going away anytime soon, if ever.

[GB EX]

Cards like All is Dust exist to prevent decks from simply flooding the board with permanents without any fear of retribution (usually against aggro decks that just play creatures and mindlessly attack). They also teach not over-extend and to choose the best time to cast your cards.

They can be annoying though, because they do reward what fighting games call "turtles" (; in card games, generally referred to as control players).

[Mr.Meow Attorney at Paw!]

If your going to complain about meta, that deck isnt the spot to start. If you hop over on official forums you will see alot of complaining (imho rightly so) about the lack of diversity in these decks (thank god for HS2 rolls eyes) and the imblance in decks in 1v1 versus 2v2. Honestly, just play random all if you do 2HG because its a ♥♥♥♥ move imo to choose to run the top teir decks just because of the fact in 2hg there still isnt a deck that can counter D&B(green white has leyland but it wont effect your opponent making it still a bit savage. Granted, alot of players in 2hg play poorly/run builds with more than 60 cards.
(side note-running more than 60 cards is a sure fire way to see a noob)
That being said, "clears" like GB-EX said eloquently reward the defender for not over extending himself against decks that have them. The "dump" decks are annoying and clears are great/fair counters to the players running Avacyns glory who dont understand this game outside of emptying their hand

[WHG | Trixdee]

Many times against a "mob" deck, All is Dust isn't enough to completely turn the tide of the game around cause the "mob" decks always have the advantage of 1 mana cost stuff they can flood the field with straight away. Playing Hunters Spirit I always ended up at least 3 or 4 turns before I could play my "cheapest" creature, by then I've already taken nearly 10 damage. I'm all for having one deck style have certain strengths over another deck style but to have 1 deck style have ALL the advantage over another is stupid.

[=|L$M|= MEMEGATRON]

The true high-level player should already be anticipating the board wipe from "All is Dust" when facing Chant of the Mul Daya and therefore, planning his/her way around it.

Which high-level player does not expect & cannot recover from a board wipe?

I would say it's time to brush up on your overall strategy & tactics in Magic. In this case. knowing when to hold back and not play every card at every single opportunity is very important to protect against situations like board wipe.

[mpbros74]

Board wipes are there for some decks to somewhat balance the decks and most are there to help against decks like AG and the like Demon Lord has 2 damnations and every colour except maybe green has cards that can clear a board of creatures, but they don't all have them. No Wrath of Go or a convoke/token deck with Hour of Reckoning one of my strongest deck HoR had never cost me more than 4 EVER. But obliterate and the like are sometimes expensive and the developers like playing with "special" cards instead of balancing decks.

[{B} chapperz {U}]

I hate the chant deck, I knew from playing the campaign way back on release that n%biies would be bumming this deck like their life depends on it and still its the most picked deck and favoured of them all. n%bs out number pros-FACT!!!

[KingCrow]

Originally posted by cyberjnkee:

Really, they need to add those to all decks or get rid of them altogether. Lets lower level players come back from poor play andwin when they really deserved to be trounced. Or worse yet, play a scheme where they wait until you are OP then kill everything and nickel and dime you. I think if you use those cards...like "all is dust" you're a puss and should just stop playing.

Just like the trolls who complain about everything. He just makes his profile prtv so he can troll, and spit hate on the forums. And you call other people a puss? Nice job.

[Yondar]

Originally posted by {B} chapperz {U}:

I hate the chant deck, I knew from playing the campaign way back on release that n%biies would be bumming this deck like their life depends on it and still its the most picked deck and favoured of them all. n%bs out number pros-FACT!!!

And what do the "pros" like you play, let me guess: Deadwalkers and Avacyn's Glory?

[cyberjnkee]

Mostly we play the elf deck or unfinished business. No, I know those cards are here to stay, just want the playing field leveled. Add them to the decks that don't have them so if that's your big plan.....surprise.....right back at you.

[Mr.Meow Attorney at Paw!]

imo pros play random all

[cyberjnkee]

I have played 2HG wit people who use random....so far only 2 wins out of about 30 tries.....too unpredictable

[The Lobotomobile]

This is why blue decks exist.

[unnamed]

Originally posted by cyberjnkee:

Mostly we play the elf deck or unfinished business. No, I know those cards are here to stay, just want the playing field leveled. Add them to the decks that don't have them so if that's your big plan.....surprise.....right back at you.

Hi Cyber.

Two points:

Firstly, there actually are a lot of decks with these sweepers this year!
Avacyn's Glory has Hallowed Burial, Chant of Mul Daya has (as you observed) All is Dust, Auramancer has Final Judgement, Enchanter's Arsenal has False Prophet, Deadwalkers has Mutilate and Lords of Darkness has both Mutilate and Damnation as well as Reaver Demon! Dodge and Burn has 8 copies of soft board wipes that do burn damage to all creatures...even the Reanimation deck Samurai have expensive wipes at the top of their curves (their names escape me) . And there's several more I missed sprinkled through the unlocks of the various decks.
So it's pretty fairly spread - the only decks without a sweeper card are those they would NEVER be useful in (ie Sliver Hive or Sylvan Might) or those it would be unfair to have them in (Mind Maze).

Secondly, I understand why you might feel frustrated, but the so-called 'sweeper' cards like All is Dust, Mutilate and Hallowed Burial form an important part of strategy in Magic.

If there was no fear of losing everything, then the only kind of deck that would win is one that casts a lot of cheap creatures and attacks fast (aggro or beatdown decks) - and the game would be pretty boring!

To allow other kinds of decks to survive, the 'symmetric sweepers' - ie board wipes that hurt *both* players, but obviously the player that has committed more creatures in play gets hurt more - are used. If they weren't symmetric than it would simply be luck based, whoever cast it first wins.

As it is, the opposing aggro player has two options: he can either try and rush the guy down before he casts it (so kill Chant in the first 5 turns) and get the kill before the sweeper comes down, or he can play out his creatures bit by bit, so he never loses more than one or two to the nuke.

This is a vital part of higher level Magic play.
Hope this all helps!

[s | voxx]

Nice, measured response DaemonX, and I agree with you completely. For me the worst part of the game is THG partners who constantly regale me with their superior knowledge, and then complain when they've overexposed themselves and get burned - in these cases the oppo team is always a bunch of cheaters, or noobs who play OP decks.

As you have rightly pointed out, this is rarely the case, and these elite randoms have failed to see the game within the game.