Why Tails is in his mech?

[Ikagura]

I want to know the story behind the devs who saw him and immediately thought that he'd be better in his plane rather than flying with his own tail.

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

It'd be a little ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up if an 8 year old child got shot by a GUN mech point blank, wouldn't it?

...I mean, GUN soldiers had zero issues with shooting and killing a 14-year-old girl in this game.

And Eggman threatened to blow the brains out of a 12 year old girl, at point blank.
(Bearing in mind, he kept that pistol pointed at Amy for quite a while)

...Man, this game gets dark sometimes, doesn't it? :lunar2020horrifiedrat:

True, but Maria was askin for it. Who does she think she is?!

[funewchie]

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

True, but Maria was askin for it. Who does she think she is?!

A sick girl, who just watched a bunch of crazed soldiers slaughter almost everyone she ever knew, kidnap her grandfather, and were trying to either kill or capture her best friend (who was created in hopes of finding a cure for her illness).

The real question is, why on earth did the future GUN Commander join GUN, if they killed his family?
(Supposedly, his name was Abraham Towers)

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

True, but Maria was askin for it. Who does she think she is?!

A sick girl, who just watched a bunch of crazed soldiers slaughter almost everyone she ever knew, kidnap her grandfather, and were trying to either kill or capture her best friend (who was created in hopes of finding a cure for her illness).

The real question is, why on earth did the future GUN Commander join GUN, if they killed his family?
(Supposedly, his name was Abraham Towers)

Maybe it was Stockholm syndrome. Or one of those sick vengeance sort of things where he could ultimately control the outcome of the organization. I wish we saw more non-human characters (in GUN, I meant) for sure in other games though

[funewchie]

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

Maybe it was Stockholm syndrome. Or one of those sick vengeance sort of things where he could ultimately control the outcome of the organization. I wish we saw more non-human characters for sure in other games though

I've always wondered about humans in Sonic's world.

Yes, they react to Sonic, but it's more of "Oh, aren't you the famous hero Sonic? It's an honor to meet you!", rather than "Holy cow! A talking animal!!"

In all of the games, no one ever seems to react to the slight of anthropomorphic animals.
It kind of implies humanity is used to them (and implies anthropomorphic animals are a common sight in that world).
Which would honestly be kinda cool.

[The Fountaineer 🖋]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

Maybe it was Stockholm syndrome. Or one of those sick vengeance sort of things where he could ultimately control the outcome of the organization. I wish we saw more non-human characters for sure in other games though

I've always wondered about humans in Sonic's world.

Yes, they react to Sonic, but it's more of "Oh, aren't you the famous hero Sonic? It's an honor to meet you!", rather than "Holy cow! A talking animal!!"

In all of the games, no one ever seems to react to the slight of anthropomorphic animals.
It kind of implies humanity is used to them (and implies anthropomorphic animals are a common sight in that world).
Which would honestly be kinda cool.

Sorry, I meant more non-human GUN characters, but yeah. I always assumed its just cuz Sonic is so charismatic and does so much world-saving in his spare time that people didn't really have time to question that he's a blue alien hedgehog.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by The Fountaineer 🖋:

Maybe it was Stockholm syndrome. Or one of those sick vengeance sort of things where he could ultimately control the outcome of the organization. I wish we saw more non-human characters for sure in other games though

I've always wondered about humans in Sonic's world.

Yes, they react to Sonic, but it's more of "Oh, aren't you the famous hero Sonic? It's an honor to meet you!", rather than "Holy cow! A talking animal!!"

In all of the games, no one ever seems to react to the slight of anthropomorphic animals.
It kind of implies humanity is used to them (and implies anthropomorphic animals are a common sight in that world).
Which would honestly be kinda cool.

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the humans always knew about Sonic, but thought he was just a fictional character from all the Sonic X episodes they've been watching on their TVs, considering the DX version has Sonic X billboards placed throughout which makes me think they too watch the show, we just never see that ourselves.

At the time, we didn't have any games that took place in human civilisation, making Adventure 1 the first time we ever interacted with humans in any way in these games (besides Eggman, obviously), so who's to say that he's real in this world? For all they knew before then, he may just be a legend that doesn't really exist, only made famous by the cartoon show that also exists in this fictional world.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the humans always knew about Sonic, but thought he was just a fictional character from all the Sonic X episodes they've been watching on their TVs, considering the DX version has Sonic X billboards placed throughout which makes me think they too watch the show, we just never see that ourselves.

At the time, we didn't have any games that took place in human civilisation, making Adventure 1 the first time we ever interacted with humans in any way in these games (besides Eggman, obviously), so who's to say that he's real in this world? For all they knew before then, he may just be a legend that doesn't really exist, only made famous by the cartoon show that also exists in this fictional world.

To add to the confusion, it's been stated since the early days that Sonic was born on Christmas Island (a real life location).

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by funewchie:

I've always wondered about humans in Sonic's world.

They don't belong in.

Mobius is with mobians, not humans.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by funewchie:

I've always wondered about humans in Sonic's world.

They don't belong in.

I always thought human civilisation was very far away from South Island where the games take place in, as shown by the level select screen in Sonic Adventure 2; you can see where Green Hill is located. Most likely you never see humans in these games because they don't know about its existence. Tails would've taken Sonic and crew to Station Square via his Tornado and setup a workshop in the Mystic Ruins to allow further development on machinery, hence the mech in Adventure 2.

Also, without humans, there'd be no Eggman either, as evidenced by Gerald Robotnik being Eggman's grandfather and as such had to be a part of a family of humans sometime ago. Simply put, this series has always had humans from the start and has had them in nearly every game since.

Mobius is with mobians, not humans.

What the heck is a mobian?

[funewchie]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

They don't belong in.
Mobius is with mobians, not humans.

What's a Mobius?
Or Mobians, for that matter?

(On that thought, isn't Mario and Luigi from Brooklyn, in the "real world"? And wind up getting sucked down a shower drain into some magical imaginary world and save some cute brunette princess from a reptile that actually hates her?)
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Sonic's games have always taken place on Earth.

The name Mobius was due to a mistranslation from an interview with one of Sonic's producers, who was referencing a Mobius Strip when discussing their level design.
But someone thought he was calling Sonic's world Mobius.

As for the catch-all term for sentient hedgehogs, foxes, etc, it seems to be simply "anthropomorphic animals", according to a remark Tails made (and at the same time, implied they view ordinary animals the same way humans do).
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But even things like Sonic SatAM, there were humans.
Production notes from around that time said the humans had mostly wiped themselves out with a nuclear war, aside from a few astronauts that were off-world at the time.
Robotnik and Snively were two of those astronauts, and were said to have killed all the other ones off and returned to Earth.
Due to time dilation, they returned when anthropomorphic animals had already emerged and built a civilization.

So, humans existed even in that media, they were just now all but extinct.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by funewchie:

But even things like Sonic SatAM, there were humans.
Production notes from around that time said the humans had mostly wiped themselves out with a nuclear war, aside from a few astronauts that were off-world at the time.
Robotnik and Snively were two of those astronauts, and were said to have killed all the other ones off and returned to Earth.
Due to time dilation, they returned when anthropomorphic animals had already emerged and built a civilization.

So, humans existed even in that media, they were just now all but extinct.

Ever since Sonic Adventure 1 came out allowing us to experience a world with actual human civilisation, that theory makes zero sense whatsoever, especially when nobody makes any mention of said war. There's an entire city in Sonic Adventure 2 populated with humans, which can also be seen when Eggman fires the Eclipse Cannon and during the last story when Gerald gives his speech to the world, which completely contradicts this entire theory.

Most likely the SatAM series is just a separate, non-canon story that's not relevant to the games whatsoever, similar to Sonic X outside of my one theory that it exists as a show in the game world itself but not as something that happened in said world yet Sonic is made famous through that anyway, kind of like the Secret Agent Clank show in Ratchet & Clank 3 where the characters think said agent is real but is just a make-belief character played by Clank himself.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Ever since Sonic Adventure 1 came out allowing us to experience a world with actual human civilisation, that theory makes zero sense whatsoever, especially when nobody makes any mention of said war. There's an entire city in Sonic Adventure 2 populated with humans, which can also be seen when Eggman fires the Eclipse Cannon and during the last story when Gerald gives his speech to the world, which completely contradicts this entire theory.

Most likely the SatAM series is just a separate, non-canon story that's not relevant to the games whatsoever, similar to Sonic X.

Well, yeah, SatAM is outright stated to be it's own separate universe.
(It's not even connected to the Archie Sonic comics. They copied it's setting and cast, but did their own thing with it.)

Contrary to what Disney and Capcom suggest, not everything in a franchise has to be all in one timeline or universe.

Even the Sonic OVA is it's own separate timeline/universe.
As is Sonic Boom.
And AoStH.
And Underground.
Etc.

[ironvenom2036 [Dark Knight]]

Originally posted by funewchie:

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Ever since Sonic Adventure 1 came out allowing us to experience a world with actual human civilisation, that theory makes zero sense whatsoever, especially when nobody makes any mention of said war. There's an entire city in Sonic Adventure 2 populated with humans, which can also be seen when Eggman fires the Eclipse Cannon and during the last story when Gerald gives his speech to the world, which completely contradicts this entire theory.

Most likely the SatAM series is just a separate, non-canon story that's not relevant to the games whatsoever, similar to Sonic X.

Well, yeah, SatAM is outright stated to be it's own separate universe.
(It's not even connected to the Archie Sonic comics. They copied it's setting and cast, but did their own thing with it.)

Contrary to what Disney and Capcom suggest, not everything in a franchise has to be all in one timeline or universe.

Even the Sonic OVA is it's own separate timeline/universe.
As is Sonic Boom.
And AoStH.
And Underground.
Etc.

Agreed, the Comics, TV shows, Movies, and Video games have been totally different universes. The only reason the early games and comics were briefly the same thing was because of American translations. And even then, once the canon unified in Sonic Adventure, the comics were their own thing like it is now.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by ironvenom2036 Hero of the Past:

Agreed, the Comics, TV shows, Movies, and Video games have been totally different universes. The only reason the early games and comics were briefly the same thing was because of American translations. And even then, once the canon unified in Sonic Adventure, the comics were their own thing like it is now.

The only cases I can think of where any of the games in this franchise are in any way connected to any other media is Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine which is part of the AoStH series as well as Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric and the 3DS games being connected to the TV show, and even then, these are in no way connected to the main series whatsoever.

[funewchie]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

The only cases I can think of where any of the games in this franchise are in any way connected to any other media is Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine which is part of the AoStH series as well as Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric and the 3DS games being connected to the TV show, and even then, these are in no way connected to the main series whatsoever.

With Boom, that's iffy.
Such as Foreman Fred being renamed Earl, Lyric not once being mentioned, and no mention of the name Bygone Island.

The only stated connection to the games that I can recall was D-Fekt (aka Ragnabot) (from Fire & Ice), whom it was stated was helped by Tails.

While a few characters from the games appeared in the show, nothing storywise was ever alluded to about them (like Perci helping Team Sonic to deal with Lyric, or such).

EDIT: Seriously, is there any character name from Sonic that Steam doesn't censor?!!