Is Tourism just bad?

[Just Some Random Kid]

Context.

I've been trying to get Tourism to be a decent steady source of orens and I've been trying to learn more about it to make it effective and I just don't know if I'm missing something. Here are my current statistics.

Relevant stats

Tourism Value: 454.579
Town Value: 2,709,159 (Pretty sure this has nothing to do with tourism)
Home Ranking: 41st (Pretty sure this has nothing to do with tourism)
Civility: 58 (0 clue if this does anything let alone affects tourism)
Danger: 13(27) Pretty sure this also has nothing to do with tourism unless tourists die
Development: 60 (Again don't know what this actually means outside of the vague idea of what development is like Hearthstone level)
Publicity: 52

Active policies

Open For Business
Tourist Protection
Traveler's Inn

Relevant Items
Prince's Bed with enough slots to hold all the guests. It has [Pleasant Lv.4 Healing, Comfort] and [Rare Lv.4 Price]. The latter of which I don't think matters.
And Opatos's Body Pillow on said bed which idk if it matters or not but I've got all but one of the body pillows so it matters not to me.

With all of this my money breakdown looks as follows

Visitors in a months: 96
Lodging: 1,698 Orens
Tourism: 2,879 Orens

This would mean on an average day I'm making basically 152.5 orens. Which feels incredibly low for how much effort is needed to get this much Tourism score and stuff. The 150+ Gold statues that average modifier is godly would equal several years worth of this Tourism income if I were to just sell them outright.

While I haven't invested literally everything into Tourism and I can see it slowly getting better as my statue collection gets fuller and I make certain things better the amount of effort is just feeling not worth it even though I'm going to continue. If you have to get into the several million Tourism value just to see a noticeable amount of money coming in each month I think it might need some adjustments. If I fish for a one or two in-game days I make more then my tourism brings in each year.

So am I just missing something? Is there just something I'm not doing or a small thing I missed to "unlock" the actual potential of Tourism? Or is it really just as simple as Tourism kinda sucks unless you invest your entire towns efforts into it?

[Tenoshii]

Unclear how much this will help if at all, but I was just in Palmia and noticed this policy:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391797074

[Just Some Random Kid]

Yea I have all the available policies outside of the recently added Panties related one. It would just be nice if I didn't have to shut down all other activities at my base JUST to make Tourism still make less then just selling sugar wine with Restaurant License.

[Waffles]

Tourism isn't meant to be a good source of orens, as far as I'm aware.

[Just Some Random Kid]

See I just want it to not be a BAD source of income. Out of the passive incomes I've interacted with it requires by far the most effort and gives by far the least income. Go and steal the 6 beehives in Mysilia and put some flowers around them and you've got a vastly better source of passive income.

[Tenoshii]

Yeah, something is off.

Town A
Tourism Value = 27,924
Lodging Income = 1,032
Tourism Income = 1,417
Visitors in a Month = 30
Publicity = 0
Attraction = 10

Town B
Tourism Value = 15,081
Lodging Income = 1,548
Tourism Income = 1,022
Visitors in a Month = 17
Publicity = 4
Attraction = 0

Only Active Policies relevant to this are "Open for Business" in both Towns.
All of my guest beds are bunk beds of normal quality.

[Just Some Random Kid]

Idk if I'm doing something wrong or you've found out something no one else knows about lol. Everyone I've seen says that with your tourism you should be making pennies lol. I wonder what you're doing that other people aren't.

Edit: How does your other stats compare to the ones I listed? Stuff like Civility, Town Wealth, and other stuff like that?

Edit 2: It also doesn't make sense that you're getting lodging income without Traveler's Inn enabled. Do you have another policy enabled that might be accounting for that?

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by Just Some Random Kid:

Idk if I'm doing something wrong or you've found out something no one else knows about lol. Everyone I've seen says that with your tourism you should be making pennies lol. I wonder what you're doing that other people aren't.

Edit: How does your other stats compare to the ones I listed? Stuff like Civility, Town Wealth, and other stuff like that?

Edit 2: It also doesn't make sense that you're getting lodging income without Traveler's Inn enabled. Do you have another policy enabled that might be accounting for that?

Town A:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391849534
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391854095

All Active Policies:

• Growth Boost
  
• Resident Tax
  
• Tax Free Land
  
• Open For Business
  
• Transfer Tax Payment
  
• Delegated Farming

13/18 Admin Points Used

Town B:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391849265
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391855006

All Active Policies:

• Growth Suppression
  
• Border Watch
  
• Tax Free Land
  
• Open For Business
  
• Transfer Tax Payment
  
• Delegated Farming

7/10 Admin Points Used

[Just Some Random Kid]

Do you happen to have screenshots of your log as well? Because with those statistics it shouldn't be possible that your Tourism is making more then mine.

Log Page:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391863239

Skill Page:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391863382

Main Page:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391863405

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by Just Some Random Kid:

Do you happen to have screenshots of your log as well? Because with those statistics it shouldn't be possible that your Tourism is making more then mine.

Town A - Log Tab:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391901003

Town B - Log Tab:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3391901329

All I can think of is that there must be an unintended diminishing return or some "beneficial" element that's actually working against you.

Perhaps the quickest way to figure it out would be for you to experiment in another one of your settlements?

[Just Some Random Kid]

Yea that's just strange. I can't think of a reason why the numbers would be so drastically different. Last question, you don't happen to have any mods enabled that might be tweaking this kind of stuff without you realizing it do you?

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by Just Some Random Kid:

Yea that's just strange. I can't think of a reason why the numbers would be so drastically different. Last question, you don't happen to have any mods enabled that might be tweaking this kind of stuff without you realizing it do you?

Nope, playing vanilla with no mods.

[Just Some Random Kid]

Yea I've been trying to look things up, check out various things, etc. and I just can't seem to crack it. I'll just try to make some adjustments occasionally and see if anything happens.

[Iyasenu]

That Tourism value is incredible.

Well, might as well add my in-progress Tourism town to the data.
(Most recent last month value)

Tourism Value: 84,785
Lodging Income: 749
Tourism Income: 2,407
Visitors: 131
Publicity: 63
Attraction: 10

Policies:
Open for Business
Tax Free Land

(also Growth Boost, Border Watch, Weed Pulling, Waste Sorting)

Beds used are just 6 8-person Bunk Beds with Lv.6 Quality and Lv.7 Healing, Bed Comfort traits.
Though the Quality trait shouldn't affect it, since I don't have the Traveler's Inn policy active.
My Lodging income seems comparatively lower.

[Just Some Random Kid]

Still it's crazy how despite the vastly higher stats my base seemingly makes either the same or a fraction of what I've seen other bases making. I wonder what's causing that to happen.

[Iyasenu]

Heck, I'm getting weirdly different results just between my own bases.
My Meadow has better income for Tourism and Lodging, despite the different circumstances.

Tourism Value: 116,735
Lodging Income: 3,129
Tourism Income: 5,472
Visitors: 158
Publicity: 2
Attraction: 0 (Assumedly, since it's not a Beach or anything)

Policies:
Same as my previous post, but also:
Tourist Protection
Human Right
Prohibition
Energy Conservation
Resident Wanted!
Resident Tax
Restaurant License

And just 2 8-person Bunk Beds for guests, same traits as the ones at the other base.

Unless Tourist Protection makes that much of a difference, I wonder what could be accounting for the differences.
Especially the differences between having 10 Attraction and 63 Publicity, and Meadow's 0 and 2.