No weapon and armor smithing?

[Dracon]

Finally managed to get a Blacksmith table, but was left shocked. Why can't I make metal weapons and armor with it? Am I actually locked to randomly generated weapons for metal weapons and armor for now?

[Linfried]

You will need the recipe. Find it and discover it.

[Dracon]

Originally posted by Unaire:

You will need the recipe. Find it and discover it.

There currently is no recipe for metal weapons and armor as it seems

[GladioSanctus]

Originally posted by Doesn't Learn From Mistakes:

Originally posted by Dracon:

That is kinda sad... it's what people would expect from the blacksmithing skill too :/

Personally, I like that it's doing something different from the mine -> craft -> boss loop that just about everything from minecraft to terraria to starbound have all fallen into. Gets stale after a while.

Metals are still useful to build infrastructure and facilities.

I wouldn't mind that though.. it'd set it aside from elona+, though it kinda already does that with the town building stuff which is pretty cool.

Unrelated but do we get overmap mounts like in elona where we could buy an airship of some kind?

[Big Balls]

Maybe you need to find one of those notes with the recipe on how to make them? all i know is that this game NEEDS a in-game wiki of sorts.

Simple enough not to spoil the fun like fandom wiki's telling every single detail, but also detailed enough to be understandable... like a journal of sorts, that gets filled up as you become a more seasoned adventurer? that could be fun.

[Cocytus]

Originally posted by Doesn't Learn From Mistakes:

The starting recipes aside, weapon and armour crafting is intentionally not a thing. The official stated intention is for equipment to be found and then upgraded through crafting.

you serious? so what is all that misleading stuff like blacksmith table, light/heavy armor smithing tables, bowyer table etc good for if there's no plans to let people actually craft their own ?! O_o

i mean seriously, what's the point besides creating the illusion that players could craft something and having a crapton of skills and crafting tables around that are literally useless...

[MoHopSoul]

@Cocytus the game is not finished yet, as the term Early Access implies

[Cocytus]

i was talking about that apparently "official stated intention of finding stuff and upgrading it with crafting" as a reason for why we can't craft stuffs, if that has any truth to it then early access or full release won't change much in that regard.

[Doesn't Learn From Mistakes]

Originally posted by Cocytus:

you serious? so what is all that misleading stuff like blacksmith table, light/heavy armor smithing tables, bowyer table etc good for if there's no plans to let people actually craft their own :♥♥♥♥:?! O_o

i mean seriously, what's the point besides creating the illusion that players could craft something and having a crapton of skills and crafting tables around that are literally useless...

The equipment specific crafting tables aren't accessible in the course of normal play and can only be seen in the developer room.

As for proof:

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Changelog/Alpha

Alpha 20.16

Individual recipes for weapons and armor, other than the initial recipes, were abolished just before the alpha release as they were not particularly interesting to craft and led to an excess of production facilities. Although it will be some time, we plan to introduce special equipment crafting and existing equipment enhancement.

[Cocytus]

so yea, just like i expected, having the blacksmithing and jewelry skills around is just plain useless, asme for mining at this point since honestly, what the F is it even there for if you can't make anything out of the ores/gems you're mining anyways?
i mean the blacksmithing table is a joke, only making bolts and some scrap deco? why even have that crap at this point?
so much for offering freedom to players but in the end just forcing the "intended" gameplay loop on them with so many missleading skills/crafting stations around...

and for that "special equipment crafting", kinda sounds like what we got with the anvil atm, literally just fixing a broken weapon and that's it...

and here i thought this was supposed to be an improved elona, but the mouse controls and nice graphics aside i'd say as of now it's a complete downgrade in literally every aspect, since the systems are either feel like placeholders or are just there for the sake of being there to make it look less empty than it actually is...

[GladioSanctus]

Originally posted by Cocytus:

so yea, just like i expected, having the blacksmithing and jewelry skills around is just plain useless, asme for mining at this point since honestly, what the F is it even there for if you can't make anything out of the ores/gems you're mining anyways?
i mean the blacksmithing table is a joke, only making bolts and some scrap deco? why even have that crap at this point?
so much for offering freedom to players but in the end just forcing the "intended" gameplay loop on them with so many missleading skills/crafting stations around...

and for that "special equipment crafting", kinda sounds like what we got with the anvil atm, literally just fixing a broken weapon and that's it...

and here i thought this was supposed to be an improved elona, but the mouse controls and nice graphics aside i'd say as of now it's a complete downgrade in literally every aspect, since the systems are either feel like placeholders or are just there for the sake of being there to make it look less empty than it actually is...

Hopefully the dev will pull his head out of his butt and actually do something with those placeholder stuff... you can't have a sandbox without all kinds of crafting...he has to improve the game over elona somehow

[Cocytus]

basically my gripe as of now, yea, i mean we got

farming -> useless since produce is pretty much worthless at traders and the food made of it is worse than the non-perishables from traders as well...
(not to forget that farming quests don't even use the farming skill, but gathering instead)

lifestock -> utterly useless since milk, eggs and shearing products share the same issues as crops plus you can't even butcher your lifestock for meat anymore thanks to them basically being immortal "companions" that simply respawn after a couple days

cooking -> same as with farming/ranch animals, worthless due to everything being worse than what the stores offer...

crafting -> pretty much just a pass time activity without any actual benefits, can't make money out of it, can't mayke anything except wood/stone weapons, only actually useful stuff would be chests and low level ammo since you apparently can't even make metal arrows/bolts.

so in the end that just leaves us with 2 things we can do that aren't completely useless in the long run:
fighting and playing music for some extra cash to somehow keep up with the taxes and maybe having a chance to earn enough to buy some halfway decent starting equipment.

and for just that we might as well just stick with elona since it has far more substance even in just those 2 fields while also having a way more reasonable economy, so it won't just end as a chase to earn enough to pay off the taxes.

[GladioSanctus]

Originally posted by Cocytus:

basically my gripe as of now, yea, i mean we got

farming -> useless since produce is pretty much worthless at traders and the food made of it is worse than the non-perishables from traders as well...
(not to forget that farming quests don't even use the farming skill, but gathering instead)

lifestock -> utterly useless since milk, eggs and shearing products share the same issues as crops plus you can't even butcher your lifestock for meat anymore thanks to them basically being immortal "companions" that simply respawn after a couple days

cooking -> same as with farming/ranch animals, worthless due to everything being worse than what the stores offer...

crafting -> pretty much just a pass time activity without any actual benefits, can't make money out of it, can't mayke anything except wood/stone weapons, only actually useful stuff would be chests and low level ammo since you apparently can't even make metal arrows/bolts.

so in the end that just leaves us with 2 things we can do that aren't completely useless in the long run:
fighting and playing music for some extra cash to somehow keep up with the taxes and maybe having a chance to earn enough to buy some halfway decent starting equipment.

and for just that we might as well just stick with elona since it has far more substance even in just those 2 fields while also having a way more reasonable economy, so it won't just end as a chase to earn enough to pay off the taxes.

Get on the discord. The dev will implement all of that stuff that's lacking or placeholder. Do you even know what early access even mean? Bro is freaking out over here when the game hasn't been out for even a week LOLOLOL.

[Dodgy Scotsman]

Originally posted by Cocytus:

basically my gripe as of now, yea, i mean we got

farming -> useless since produce is pretty much worthless at traders and the food made of it is worse than the non-perishables from traders as well...
(not to forget that farming quests don't even use the farming skill, but gathering instead)

lifestock -> utterly useless since milk, eggs and shearing products share the same issues as crops plus you can't even butcher your lifestock for meat anymore thanks to them basically being immortal "companions" that simply respawn after a couple days

cooking -> same as with farming/ranch animals, worthless due to everything being worse than what the stores offer...

crafting -> pretty much just a pass time activity without any actual benefits, can't make money out of it, can't mayke anything except wood/stone weapons, only actually useful stuff would be chests and low level ammo since you apparently can't even make metal arrows/bolts.

so in the end that just leaves us with 2 things we can do that aren't completely useless in the long run:
fighting and playing music for some extra cash to somehow keep up with the taxes and maybe having a chance to earn enough to buy some halfway decent starting equipment.

and for just that we might as well just stick with elona since it has far more substance even in just those 2 fields while also having a way more reasonable economy, so it won't just end as a chase to earn enough to pay off the taxes.

Game will stay wishlisted for now. Unless this drastically improves I will not be buying it.

[Schabracke]

uhm guess that's a refund then for now at least. many concepts seemed rather unique as I enjoy deeper mechanics and endgame. and I generally support novel or indie games and their devs. however that one is rather unexpected.

not sure if that's confirmed official comms, but would be a weird response on dev/side.
the mental, unhappy/insecure gloating LOLOLOL response in this very thread from a seeming 8-yr old isn't exactly helping either. as it has nothing to do with the actual questions, worries, official comms and requested information relevant here.

[MoHopSoul]

All of you are misinformed. Blacksmithing and alchemy recipes aren't in the game because they aren't finished yet.