This game desperately needs a pure keyboard control scheme more than anything

[Vanguard]

Elona's controls were a hundred times more efficient than this. Mouse controls are not a good fit for roguelike gameplay.

[SamV]

I have to stop playing for today because all of the mouse clicking is making my wrist hurt. Which is too bad because I was having fun despite getting one shot by a mercenary at my home base before I had time to craft any armor. Using the keyboard is a lot less rough on my arthritis than using the mouse so I wish it was an option for Elin. I also find it faster to use like others have said.

I understand adding mouse controls for people who prefer them. But why leave out the option of playing with the keyboard like Elona had?

Caves of Qud added more mouse controls recently but thankfully they didn't take away the ability to play keyboard only so I can go play that I guess.

[Arragonder]

I agree that the controls suck and the UI sucks, but I disagree that mouse controls are not a good fit for roguelikes. mouse controls worked great for dungeons of dredmore for example and that game's 15 years old now.
game just launched early access so I expect/hope the UI and controls will improve with time. I also really hope they at least put in 9 way movement because trying to navigate properly without it or with a mouse is killing me

[Arragonder]

Publicado originalmente por SamV:

I have to stop playing for today because all of the mouse clicking is making my wrist hurt. Which is too bad because I was having fun despite getting one shot by a mercenary at my home base before I had time to craft any armor. Using the keyboard is a lot less rough on my arthritis than using the mouse so I wish it was an option for Elin. I also find it faster to use like others have said.

I understand adding mouse controls for people who prefer them. But why leave out the option of playing with the keyboard like Elona had?

Caves of Qud added more mouse controls recently but thankfully they didn't take away the ability to play keyboard only so I can go play that I guess.

I'm also hoping focusing on mouse is related to wanting to launch with the broadest appeal and that they put in full keyboard bindings eventually. I'd argue though that they didn't "take away" keyboard controls, for as much as this game uses or the original Elona graphics (plus new ones) it's a completely new engine meaning they would've had to been implemented fresh to begin with. but yeah hope to either get full bindings, or if that's not an option close second would be robust enough mod support that someone can throw up proper keyboard controls on steam workshop

[.//slayer]

Publicado originalmente por Arragonder:

I agree that the controls suck and the UI sucks, but I disagree that mouse controls are not a good fit for roguelikes. mouse controls worked great for dungeons of dredmore for example and that game's 15 years old now.
game just launched early access so I expect/hope the UI and controls will improve with time. I also really hope they at least put in 9 way movement because trying to navigate properly without it or with a mouse is killing me

From personal experience, my most frequent deaths in roguelikes occur when I try to use mouse control. It's just too easy to misclick a tile and end up doing something unintended in a crucial fight that costs you the run. This is why I stopped using the mouse in ToME4.

[unripe mango]

Publicado originalmente por Arragonder:

I also really hope they at least put in 9 way movement

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3360115019

[elonashooter]

Okay, so while I agree that I liked Elona's controls more, that's more because I'm very used to them.

Anyone saying they were "simple" though is insane.
Z for zap, B for bash, V for cast, G for grab, f to fire, T to throw, X to examine, etc.

Once you know all the hotkeys it feels fine, but consolidating everything into a mouse based control scheme makes sense, especially since you're now actively managing your inventory, not just shoving everything into a global backpack.

I didn't need to check the controls to figure out how to zap a rod, I just put it in my hand.

The only thing I really miss is the grab hotkey, since this has the overload between "grab" and "pick up" both mapped to right click.

[HyphenSam]

I've played Elona and the controls are one of the things I don't miss. It's been years since I last played, and if I started to play it now, I would need to relearn all the controls because I've completely forgotten them. I could come back to Elin in a few years and learning the controls will not be a problem at all.

[.//slayer]

Publicado originalmente por HyphenSam:

I've played Elona and the controls are one of the things I don't miss. It's been years since I last played, and if I started to play it now, I would need to relearn all the controls because I've completely forgotten them. I could come back to Elin in a few years and learning the controls will not be a problem at all.

You don't have to relearn anything, because the current mouse controls are not going anywhere. This thread is about asking for a better keyboard support.

Publicado originalmente por elonashooter:

Okay, so while I agree that I liked Elona's controls more, that's more because I'm very used to them.

Anyone saying they were "simple" though is insane.
Z for zap, B for bash, V for cast, G for grab, f to fire, T to throw, X to examine, etc.

That's kind of a standard scheme for the genre. Once you played a single roguelike, you generally know what to expect from all the others.

Elona made things much simpler thanks to the Z, X, C menus that consolidated every action you could possibly need.

[Stallion]

Publicado originalmente por Dying pancake:

it took me years to get use to the Elona control...but to be honest i am doing just right here in Elin. The only annoying part is, i cant open my character sheet with "C"

You can rebind that.
I did it immediately.

[OkaOka]

I second keyboard support, just plays way better for the classic roguelike guys.