This game desperately needs a pure keyboard control scheme more than anything

[Vanguard]

Elona's controls were a hundred times more efficient than this. Mouse controls are not a good fit for roguelike gameplay.

[Vanguard]

Publicado originalmente por the chazz:

Has anyone got a controller working?

I'm trying it out using JoyToKey and it's working ok. Managing inventory and abilities is still bad but that's the UI's fault and no control scheme will fix it.

[Atara]

Im surprised there's no controller support. Even Elona had native controller support (the variant I played at least), and the Elone-clone, Creator of Another World too, which feels very good to play with controller.

[Virkful]

you just need a mod that adds an option to overrides the inputs, to support controllers, sadly mods that requires tools to unzip or decompile are very dissuading for people to join in the modding community.

[Shazbot!]

Publicado originalmente por Vanguard:

Elona's controls were a hundred times more efficient than this.

No, not really, interface was maybe more straightforward, but looking around with * and targeting things was sure as hell not efficient in any way.

[Suwako]

I just play with a controller so i can kick my feet up. Once you get used to it, it feels a LOT better than M&KB.

[GladioSanctus]

You guys are silly. You can play the game mostly using your mouse..I'm on steam deck and I can do everything with R2 which is left click, and x is middle click on the mouse... tldr everything can be done with mouse

[Fallingferret]

it's the dwarf fortress problem. the way the game has set up it's menus and interactions, going back to full kb support would be very unlikely. especially as new players are just going to use the mouse interface

[.//slayer]

Publicado originalmente por GladioSanctus:

You guys are silly. You can play the game mostly using your mouse..I'm on steam deck and I can do everything with R2 which is left click, and x is middle click on the mouse... tldr everything can be done with mouse

You haven't played Elona or many other traditional roguelikes, have you? Not to mention that, as some people pointed out above, for someone it might be an accessibility or health issue.

Publicado originalmente por Fallingferret:

it's the dwarf fortress problem. the way the game has set up it's menus and interactions, going back to full kb support would be very unlikely. especially as new players are just going to use the mouse interface

It just feels odd when the previous game had such a perfect arrangement of keybindings - why let it go to waste and not even attempt to implement the most basic actions, like picking stuff off the ground or choosing an NPC to talk to? That alone would be a massive QoL.

[Darx]

it does. i guess the dev changed partly to mouse because a few newbies complained that only keyboard is hard/confusing

[Vanguard]

Publicado originalmente por Shazbot!:

Publicado originalmente por Vanguard:

Elona's controls were a hundred times more efficient than this.

No, not really, interface was maybe more straightforward, but looking around with * and targeting things was sure as hell not efficient in any way.

It was worse at one thing - and only slightly since most of the time autotargeting was fine - and much better at letting you move quickly and precisely in combat and in giving you more direct control in general. Even that one win isn't really a win in the big picture given how much more cumbersome playing a ranged character is in Elin. Anything to do with inventory is easily 10x faster in Elona. Push d to drop an item, pick the letter for the item, it's dropped. In Elin the process is far lengthier.

[Shazbot!]

Publicado originalmente por Vanguard:

Even that one win isn't really a win in the big picture given how much more cumbersome playing a ranged character is in Elin.

Hmm i'm playing as spellcaster and i don't think it's that cumbersome, though i'd replace what we have with clasic tab targeting world of warcraft-like where you pick target first, then press buttons to make different things happen to that target, but also able to press buttons first and pick target if you have none. I suppose it was attempt to oversimplify things for slice-of-life non combat crowd and new players.

[.//slayer]

Publicado originalmente por Shazbot!:

Publicado originalmente por Vanguard:

Even that one win isn't really a win in the big picture given how much more cumbersome playing a ranged character is in Elin.

Hmm i'm playing as spellcaster and i don't think it's that cumbersome, though i'd replace what we have with clasic tab targeting world of warcraft-like where you pick target first, then press buttons to make different things happen to that target, but also able to press buttons first and pick target if you have none. I suppose it was attempt to oversimplify things for slice-of-life non combat crowd and new players.

Isn't that what happens when you hit F? I thought you could cycle ranged targets with the button press.

[Shazbot!]

Publicado originalmente por .//slayer:

Isn't that what happens when you hit F? I thought you could cycle ranged targets with the button press.

Yeah except select targets with mouse, this just picks closes target.

[Shazbot!]

But yeah, we need more hotkeys for actions such as medtiation for sure.

[.//slayer]

Publicado originalmente por Shazbot!:

But yeah, we need more hotkeys for action such as medtiation for sure.

For meditation, you can at least put it on the skillbar and hit a corresponding number button. But stuff like object interaction or talking with NPCs does not have any equivalents, sadly.