Did I make a mistake

[AximaGalaxy]

I bought this game because i loved playing elona, but for the past 2 weeks it feels like all i've been doing was dying over and over just trying to learn to do even the bare minimum to function in this game. almost everything kills me, i have no clue how taxes work, and im just not having fun altogether. I'm far past the two hour mark to get a refund and I just want to like the game

[Shazza]

A few things:

1) Did you look into any of the beginner guides?

2) Did you follow the tutorial to the letter? Because Ashland explains how taxes work.

3) How far did you get in terms of Nefias (Puppy Cave? Nymelle?)

4) What class and race did you pick?

[AximaGalaxy]

to add i have burnt through 25 characters now with zero progress at all past the very beginning of the game

Most have them have been the very first race because of the quick learner passive. and i have went through all of ashland's quests and i still know nothing

[Bloodyboo12]

Are you skipping every tutorial, and have you used the help menu? The game explains a lot very quickly and all of it is important.

[Bloodyboo12]

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

to add i ave burnt through 25 characters now with zero progress at all past the very beginning of the game

Are you using the oath that deletes your character if you die?

[Shazza]

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

to add i have burnt through 25 characters now with zero progress at all past the very beginning of the game

Most have them have been the very first race because of the quick learner passive. and i have went through all of ashland's quests and i still know nothing

Rapidly going through 25 different characters would definitely be one big factor. Are you making sure to change your Oath at the beginning? Because by default it disables manual saving and loading (faux-permadeath).

It sounds like you might be rushing ahead of yourself and skipping over vital tutorial chunks. You pay taxes by taking your bill (that gets mailed (dropped off)) at your home (Meadow) to a town with a tax chest (the closest being a short trip southeast, in Mysillia).

You deposit that bill into the tax chest in the mayor's office (you can ask a guard where the mayor or secretary is if you miss it on the way in), and as long as you have enough orens (money) it gets paid.

[Leonardo Trapovich]

I believe it's honestly easier than Elona(or the various modded Elonas) and some of the other true-roguelikes. What exactly have you been struggling with, other than taxes?
Most people seem to agree that taxes suck - me included, but there are mods to change the tax rate. Most of the difficulty in this game comes from Fame - the more fame you have, the more things scale upwards. Fame can be sold at informers in towns to lower your difficulty.
Also what race and class are you playing? One race that seems fun but plays horrible is Chaos Form. Best class for beginners would be Warmage, since mixing magic and combat is often quite important as many enemies have resistances to some things. Farmer and tourist are... much more complicated than they seem.

[AximaGalaxy]

Originally posted by Shazzamon:

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

to add i have burnt through 25 characters now with zero progress at all past the very beginning of the game

Most have them have been the very first race because of the quick learner passive. and i have went through all of ashland's quests and i still know nothing

Rapidly going through 25 different characters would definitely be one big factor. Are you making sure to change your Oath at the beginning? Because by default it disables manual saving and loading (faux-permadeath).

It sounds like you might be rushing ahead of yourself and skipping over vital tutorial chunks. You pay taxes by taking your bill (that gets mailed (dropped off)) at your home (Meadow) to a town with a tax chest (the closest being a short trip southeast, in Mysillia).

You deposit that bill into the tax chest in the mayor's office (you can ask a guard where the mayor or secretary is if you miss it on the way in), and as long as you have enough orens (money) it gets paid.

I go through that many characters because i feel like I've made those runs unwinnable either by constant spawn death or close to unplayable

[Shazza]

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

I go through that many characters because i feel like I've made those runs unwinnable either by constant spawn death or close to unplayable

What's causing "constant spawn death"? Are you trying to bruteforce into Puppy Cave without any equipment? Are you completing the tutorial section with Loytel and getting your Shipping Crate?

[Bloodyboo12]

Originally posted by Shazzamon:

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

I go through that many characters because i feel like I've made those runs unwinnable either by constant spawn death or close to unplayable

What's causing "constant spawn death"? Are you trying to bruteforce into Puppy Cave without any equipment? Are you completing the tutorial section with Loytel and getting your Shipping Crate?

My question exactly, starting out I would get to the point of being able to craft wood gear and then exploring around the base for easy mobs and treasure chests

[AximaGalaxy]

Originally posted by Shazzamon:

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

I go through that many characters because i feel like I've made those runs unwinnable either by constant spawn death or close to unplayable

What's causing "constant spawn death"? Are you trying to bruteforce into Puppy Cave without any equipment? Are you completing the tutorial section with Loytel and getting your Shipping Crate?

how about

A. accidentally hitting ashland when dealing with an invading moster
B. using a summon monster scroll without knowing because I'm braindamaged beyond hope

[AximaGalaxy]

and yes I did get loytel for the shipping crate, but that still doesn't help my core issue

[Bloodyboo12]

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

Originally posted by Shazzamon:

What's causing "constant spawn death"? Are you trying to bruteforce into Puppy Cave without any equipment? Are you completing the tutorial section with Loytel and getting your Shipping Crate?

how about

A. accidentally hitting ashland when dealing with an invading moster
B. using a summon monster scroll without knowing because I'm braindamaged beyond hope

deng, I guess just do things a tad slower since both of these are avoidable.

[Shazza]

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

and yes I did get loytel for the shipping crate, but that still doesn't help my core issue

Is your core issue.. rapid inputting to the point of smacking friendly NPCs and using random scrolls?

I'm sorry but it genuinely does sound like you're trying to engage with Elin at Mach 5 and not allowing yourself a moment to breathe. With 25 characters in particular, you realize you don't have to completely restart the game when you die? That reloading to "before I smack this NPC or use an item" is also a viable option?

To me, the core of the problem seems to be your hyperengagement and speeding through without much thought, then throwing your hands up and restarting due to even minor things going wrong.

Go slower. Don't be afraid to use the Load button.

[AximaGalaxy]

Originally posted by Shazzamon:

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

and yes I did get loytel for the shipping crate, but that still doesn't help my core issue

Is your core issue.. rapid inputting to the point of smacking friendly NPCs and using random scrolls?

I'm sorry but it genuinely does sound like you're trying to engage with Elin at Mach 5 and not allowing yourself a moment to breathe. With 25 characters in particular, you realize you don't have to completely restart the game when you die? That reloading to "before I smack this NPC or use an item" is also a viable option?

To me, the core of the problem seems to be your hyperengagement and speeding through without much thought, then throwing your hands up and restarting due to even minor things going wrong.

Go slower. Don't be afraid to use the Load button.

I go throgh that so quickly because eveey character i play ffels so weak that sometimes even putits slap 3/4ths of my hp after every fight and i just want a start that doesnt feel like i have to rush to try and prevent problems with taxes and ethee disease just so i can actually play the game

[Shazza]

Originally posted by AximaGalaxy:

I go throgh that so quickly because eveey character i play ffels so weak that sometimes even putits slap 3/4ths of my hp after every fight and i just want a start that doesnt feel like i have to rush to try and prevent problems with taxes and ethee disease just so i can actually play the game

You still haven't mentioned what you've been rolling outside of "the first choice" - again, y'can stop and read your options!

My suggestion would be a Warmage. Specifically a Demigod (tick the "more classes and races" option on character creation) for the most balanced (and lenient) first time experience.

Heck, if you really want to go slow, I rolled an Elean Farmer. Farmers focus on stat growth through slow farming life to beef up their potential later (they eventually became a caster).

Non-melee damage is very important in Elin, so much so that even melee-dedicated classes are suggested to always carry at least one source of ranged (bow/boomerang) or magic damage to compensate against high evasion enemies (spells don't miss, they can just fail the initial cast), dangerous melee-distance magic enemies (ghosts/zombies/cursed), and even softening deadly targets like kobolds before they reach you.

Are you crafting armour and weapons before you leave? Are you equipping them to your body slots (not just putting them in your hotkey bar)? Putits doing that much damage isn't normal, outside of maybe being a very unlucky Fairy.