Please let demo players join full game owners

[Samantha Prezombie]

Coop games often work with only 1 player owning the dlc = the whole party gets to use it.
Being able to freely pull in friends to play for free would be absolutely lovely and help us spread the cult of Shira.

A few restrictions make sense, here's what I think would be good:

Demo players limited to the base 5 classes.

Demo players don't count towards the probability bump of rare trinket unlocks. (A few trinkets specifically for playing with demo players would be nice?)

Lunar difficulty locked to 1 region runs.

Disable metagame cutscene progressions (maybe make some custom ones that don't spoil the plot as a reward for playing with new friends?)

Additionally, how about a mode to let us define one or two players as "assistants" who don't have any sabotageable mechanics target them? They won't have aoes locked to them, and getting knocked out just reduces their dps to nothing for the respawn timer. Great for complete newbies and playing with younger players.

[phenir]

Why don't you play the demo with them?

Originally posted by Prezombie:

Disable metagame cutscene progressions (maybe make some custom ones that don't spoil the plot as a reward for playing with new friends?)

Cutscenes already don't play in multiplayer. The worst that happens is shira's dialogue changes depending on the host's progress.

[Samseng Yik]

Big no. Demo should only play with demo.
Demo shouldn't enjoy more stage than demo intention.
The game is already well receive without implementing your stingy request.
This game also has no intention to hand hold.

Also, not majority of coop games "often" enjoy the feature like what you describe.
Those who implement are "very generous".
Those who don't are just normal practice, and easier code management.

"Demo" with only few restriction?
Nah, demo should have 85% of restriction.

[trem]

"1 player owning the dlc = the whole party gets to use it" idea works only because its a DLC.
meaning everyone has already paid for the base full game.

[Xersin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't remote play work for this exact situation?

[phenir]

Originally posted by Xersin:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't remote play work for this exact situation?

Remote play has the whole latency issue. Probably not a huge problem on lower difficulties though. There's also the problem of if more than one person needs to use the keyboard from lack of controller.

[Yellow]

Demo is not the full game.

Demo is actually an older version of the game prior to release, with only 2 stages and one actual boss fight.
Demo lacks a lot of the amenities that the base game does (like auto-casting) and the base game is not backwards compatible with older versions of itself.
Demo itself has a few different patterns and mechanics compared to release version, difficulty on Demo Lunar is comparable to Release Hard.
You can still download the Demo and play with friends that do not have the full game, Demo still has full multiplayer functionality, just nobody plays it because full game exist.

[Raven]

Originally posted by phenir:

Why don't you play the demo with them?

AFAIK you can't download the demo if you already own the game. Used to be able to use Steam console commands to download via appID, but they removed that "exploit" years ago. I'd like to try and entice my friends to get the game by playing the demo with them, but unfortunately that can't be done unless I make a separate account just for this purpose.

[Yellow]

Originally posted by Valvraven:

AFAIK you can't download the demo if you already own the game. Used to be able to use Steam console commands to download via appID, but they removed that "exploit" years ago.

???
I was just able to download the demo just fine a few days ago to play with some friends, it's not an exploit, it's a base functionality on Steam that is just hidden away from a lack of UI.

[I'm cucked]

Buy the game.

[raven]

Originally posted by plinplinplon:

Buy the game.

[Coia]

Originally posted by raven:

Originally posted by plinplinplon:

Buy the game.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

Originally posted by plinplinplon:

Buy the game.

[King Fossil]

Sounds like a complex way of saying you want the game to be free to play with a bunch of DLCs for basic features.

[Skysagi]

I had no idea there was separate matchmaking between demo and richies and thought the game is dead for my region lmao.

Well, now I'm not buying it anyways because of the separate matchmaking. Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising has free edition players play together with paying players. The notion that you'll hide the playerbase from the demo players to motivate them into buying the game is dumb.

The game is good enough to not require marketing shenanigans (because it's clearly not a dev limitation). This isn't the first time I refuse to buy a game due to dumb corporate ideas (Yakuza 8 paid NG+ comes to mind).

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by Skysagi:

Well, now I'm not buying it anyways because of the separate matchmaking. Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising has free edition players play together with paying players. The notion that you'll hide the playerbase from the demo players to motivate them into buying the game is dumb.

He's not hiding the playerbase, he's hiding the game's content. And since you need access to content to actually play it that precludes full game and demo playing together.
I guess you can say that the demo not giving you full access to the entire game is a marketing shenanigan, but it's a pretty common one.