Do you guys recommend this version of Master Collection Vol 1 or the PS5 version?

[CSDX]

Asking cause I've recently started making a switch to PC and invest more in my Steam Deck and hopefully one day get a stronger laptop, but I've heard horror stories about this version and last I checked, the PS5 version is on sale on Amazon.

What do you guys suggest?

[spy]

The game is 140p and it lags occasionally. If you can get it somewhere, play Twin Snake. If you don't mind the graphics, there's no problem. This version will give the same 140p on PS5.

[CSDX]

Originally posted by spy:

The game is 140p and it lags occasionally. If you can get it somewhere, play Twin Snake. If you don't mind the graphics, there's no problem. This version will give the same 140p on PS5.

So, instead of a CRT filter, it's essentially what the Wii did with N64 Virtual Console in that it was still in 240p and thus pretty fuzzy. Not the direction I expected, but still very interesting.

What about 2 & 3, though?

[spy]

Originally posted by CSDX:

Originally posted by spy:

The game is 140p and it lags occasionally. If you can get it somewhere, play Twin Snake. If you don't mind the graphics, there's no problem. This version will give the same 140p on PS5.

So, instead of a CRT filter, it's essentially what the Wii did with N64 Virtual Console in that it was still in 240p and thus pretty fuzzy. Not the direction I expected, but still very interesting.

What about 2 & 3, though?

2 and 3 versions have been hd updated and look really nice. You can buy it with peace of mind but when you buy it in hd it requires a good system. At least you can open hd for cinematics.

[CSDX]

Originally posted by spy:

Originally posted by CSDX:

So, instead of a CRT filter, it's essentially what the Wii did with N64 Virtual Console in that it was still in 240p and thus pretty fuzzy. Not the direction I expected, but still very interesting.

What about 2 & 3, though?

2 and 3 versions have been hd updated and look really nice. You can buy it with peace of mind but when you buy it in hd it requires a good system. At least you can open hd for cinematics.

I don't mind as the Deck is 800p and my laptop is 1080p. I supposed it'd still be nice to have a physical copy, though. I guess I'll wait for a sale here if I ever opt for it. I did find out that the Amazon one is no longer on sale for 20 bucks, but 33 bucks is still a good price, though.

Thanks for the help, man ^^

[Deathraven13]

Here's what you'll get if you only buy this:

[Title lineup]
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Metal Gear Solid (Including VR Missions/Special Missions)

Regional versions of the titles are available as additional downloads.

[Digital book]
Metal Gear Solid: Screenplay Book
Metal Gear Solid: Master Book
Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Screenplay Book
Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Master Book

Metal gear and metal gear 2: Solid Snake are the MSX version with an english translation, they are canon so they are important despite being old, you could also just read the books that come with the collection if you don't want to bother, in case you are stuck there is the screenplay book that can guide you.

If you buy the whole VOL1 you get Metal gear and Snake's revenge, 2 NES games, one was reviewed by AVGN., and you get some other bonus content, you can't get it if you buy all 3 pack separatly and you won't get a discount if you buy VOL1 after owning 1/2/3 pack.

I'll recommend the PC version for the usual stuff: Mods. For exemple MGS Snake eater 3D (3DS version of MGS3) got a crouch walking option, so you can crouch and walk meaning you'll be faster than crawling but with less camo, slower than running but more camo, well there is a mod that add that.

There is also a minecraft mod along some other stuff.

Finaly: Don't play metal gear solid: The Twin Snake, it's one of the worst sold MGS and It's pretty horrible, the cutscene are a la matrix (so pretty goofy) and the gameplay is broken since they have used MGS2 controls while keeping the PS1 map designs that was not made in mind for it, thus it make the game incredibly easy, the soundtrack is also changed and is quite a downgrade, the only thing it got for itself is the graphism.

MGS TTS remained on Gamecube for these reasons and Hideo Kojima decided to have the PS1 version for the legacy and HD collection since it's superior overall. This is also why this master collection doesn't include it despite having multiple versions of MGS1.

There are mods for MGS1 too but a PS1 game will remain a PS1 game so it won't become MGS5 no matter how much mod you throw at it.

Hope that help.

[CSDX]

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

Here's what you'll get if you only buy this:

[Title lineup]
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Metal Gear Solid (Including VR Missions/Special Missions)

Regional versions of the titles are available as additional downloads.

[Digital book]
Metal Gear Solid: Screenplay Book
Metal Gear Solid: Master Book
Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Screenplay Book
Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Master Book

Metal gear and metal gear 2: Solid Snake are the MSX version with an english translation, they are canon so they are important despite being old, you could also just read the books that come with the collection if you don't want to bother, in case you are stuck there is the screenplay book that can guide you.

If you buy the whole VOL1 you get Metal gear and Snake's revenge, 2 NES games, one was reviewed by AVGN., and you get some other bonus content, you can't get it if you buy all 3 pack separatly and you won't get a discount if you buy VOL1 after owning 1/2/3 pack.

I'll recommend the PC version for the usual stuff: Mods. For exemple MGS Snake eater 3D (3DS version of MGS3) got a crouch walking option, so you can crouch and walk meaning you'll be faster than crawling but with less camo, slower than running but more camo, well there is a mod that add that.

There is also a minecraft mod along some other stuff.

Finaly: Don't play metal gear solid: The Twin Snake, it's one of the worst sold MGS and It's pretty horrible, the cutscene are a la matrix (so pretty goofy) and the gameplay is broken since they have used MGS2 controls while keeping the PS1 map designs that was not made in mind for it, thus it make the game incredibly easy, the soundtrack is also changed and is quite a downgrade, the only thing it got for itself is the graphism.

MGS TTS remained on Gamecube for these reasons and Hideo Kojima decided to have the PS1 version for the legacy and HD collection since it's superior overall. This is also why this master collection doesn't include it despite having multiple versions of MGS1.

There are mods for MGS1 too but a PS1 game will remain a PS1 game so it won't become MGS5 no matter how much mod you throw at it.

Hope that help.

Yeah, the plan was to buy the whole collection in the bundle as that includes the "Bonus Content" going by the store listing for it not being purchasable on its own.

I did not know they added crouch walking to the 3DS version, cause that sounds a LOT like something that should've been in there from the start.

What kinds of mods are people using? I'm assuming it's stuff that should've been in this at launch that Konami just never got around to adding yet cause they're too busy working on pachinko machines.

Okay? I mean, seeing that Twin Snakes has an 85 on Metacritic and the plethora of posts I saw on the first page alone wanting Twin Snakes to be rereleased as DLC or whatever. And of course it sold poorly. It was on the Gamecube which sold only 21 million units vs Xbox's 29 or so million units and the PS2's whopping 155 million units. The power of a DVD player in the year 2000, jfc.

Either way, I'm fine with the PS1 version as I like the low-poly aesthetic. I'm also PRETTY sure Kojima had absolutely no part in this collection, given he hasn't been part of Konami for almost a decade after the immensely public to the world falling out they had that literally is part of why the horrid info we know about Konami eventually came out. Ntm the horrid Contra(not Operation Galuga, to be clear) and Metal Gear entries that came out after all that bad press happened. I wouldn't mind if Twin Snakes was released again in some form, though.

Lastly, and I'm sorry this was largely out of order in terms of responding to your comment as I'm not very knowledgeable on how to separate the parts properly, I have absolutely no idea what Minecraft has to do with this, and I also don't play Minecraft anyway.

[Deathraven13]

Couldn't find the quote to remove to edit so I'll ansdwer like this: This collection as been released on mutliple platforms so it's not a PC exclusive thing, meaning that they are working on updates for everything, thus some mods are made for PC, since this collection is about playing the games while being as vanilla as possible their focus is to make the game playable, not to remaster them.

As for Lonami being busy with machine slot you do know that there is an MGS3 remaster coming right ? MGS DELTA, with improved stuff like changing camo on the fly and stuff.

Concord got a 7/10 just like FF7 remake so do you really believe such reviews ? Both Concord and MGS TTS ended up being failures in the end, one counter argument is that MGS Snake eater 3D was on 3DS and sold almost 4 time more than MGS TTS, that's with MGS being mainly on playstation consoles, at the time you got MGS:PW, MG acid 1 & 2, MGS: portable ops and PO+ on PSP so most MGS players were on PSP/PS3 yet it was a success.

Yes no one said Kojima was involved in the master collection as he was fired by Konami a long time ago, here what I wrote:

MGS TTS remained on Gamecube for these reasons and Hideo Kojima decided to have the PS1 version for the legacy and HD collection since it's superior overall. This is also why this master collection doesn't include it despite having multiple versions of MGS1.

I didn't say that Kojima didn't include MGS TTS in the master collection I said that he didn't include it in the legacy and HD collection because MGS TTS is pretty bad overall, being bad is the reason it's not in VOL1.

Metal gear survive sold more copies than MGS TTS btw.

After firing kojima Konami yearly income kept on growing, then went down a bit due to covid and it's on the rise, so firing him was a smart move it seem, believe it or not mobile games are more profitable, diablo 4 earned +1 billion$ in microtransactions, mobile games are cheaper and faster to produce so some mobile games generate more profits than Death Stranding & MGS5, in the end if Konami make a profit then they are in the right as a company, that's how business work meaning no matter the bad press some people think Konami got they are actually doing quite well, If you don't believe me you can check online their yearly income, you don't need to work at Konami to see such reports.

As for minecraft there is a mod that make MGS3 look like minecraft.

Here's a video showcasing briefly what's up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQidA9EGm0

Hope that help.

[CSDX]

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

Couldn't find the quote to remove to edit so I'll ansdwer like this: This collection as been released on mutliple platforms so it's not a PC exclusive thing, meaning that they are working on updates for everything, thus some mods are made for PC, since this collection is about playing the games while being as vanilla as possible their focus is to make the game playable, not to remaster them.

As for Lonami being busy with machine slot you do know that there is an MGS3 remaster coming right ? MGS DELTA, with improved stuff like changing camo on the fly and stuff.

Concord got a 7/10 just like FF7 remake so do you really believe such reviews ? Both Concord and MGS TTS ended up being failures in the end, one counter argument is that MGS Snake eater 3D was on 3DS and sold almost 4 time more than MGS TTS, that's with MGS being mainly on playstation consoles, at the time you got MGS:PW, MG acid 1 & 2, MGS: portable ops and PO+ on PSP so most MGS players were on PSP/PS3 yet it was a success.

Yes no one said Kojima was involved in the master collection as he was fired by Konami a long time ago, here what I wrote:

MGS TTS remained on Gamecube for these reasons and Hideo Kojima decided to have the PS1 version for the legacy and HD collection since it's superior overall. This is also why this master collection doesn't include it despite having multiple versions of MGS1.

I didn't say that Kojima didn't include MGS TTS in the master collection I said that he didn't include it in the legacy and HD collection because MGS TTS is pretty bad overall, being bad is the reason it's not in VOL1.

Metal gear survive sold more copies than MGS TTS btw.

After firing kojima Konami yearly income kept on growing, then went down a bit due to covid and it's on the rise, so firing him was a smart move it seem, believe it or not mobile games are more profitable, diablo 4 earned +1 billion$ in microtransactions, mobile games are cheaper and faster to produce so some mobile games generate more profits than Death Stranding & MGS5, in the end if Konami make a profit then they are in the right as a company, that's how business work meaning no matter the bad press some people think Konami got they are actually doing quite well, If you don't believe me you can check online their yearly income, you don't need to work at Konami to see such reports.

As for minecraft there is a mod that make MGS3 look like minecraft.

Here's a video showcasing briefly what's up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQidA9EGm0

Hope that help. :MGS2_Otadot1:

ok

[YellowJello]

If you aren't a giant crybaby then the game is absolutely fine. It's not 1:1 to the original, but it's absolutely playable and comes with goodies. The GOG release is super broken and has to be heavily modded for it to run, where this can run without any changes. The lag issues people are complaining about seem to be person to person, but I have experienced minimal issues. The worst I've experienced is a tiny bit of input lag due to it being emulated and some moments of screen tearing. Nothing has been bad enough to take me out of the experience.

[CSDX]

Originally posted by YellowJello:

If you aren't a giant crybaby then the game is absolutely fine. It's not 1:1 to the original, but it's absolutely playable and comes with goodies. The GOG release is super broken and has to be heavily modded for it to run, where this can run without any changes. The lag issues people are complaining about seem to be person to person, but I have experienced minimal issues. The worst I've experienced is a tiny bit of input lag due to it being emulated and some moments of screen tearing. Nothing has been bad enough to take me out of the experience.

1) Don't call people crybabies if there's legit criticism they have, even if you haven't personally experienced it. Hell, I played WWE 2K20 and the worst bug I encountered was being unable to do springboard moves to a grounded opponent(and not from the ring apron, mind you). Adding on to that...

2) So, in other words, it's a bit like Borderlands GOTY Enhanced and God of War 2018 where both games have a memory leak issue, but not everyone experiences issues related to that, right?

[Deathraven13]

Originally posted by CSDX:

1) Don't call people crybabies if there's legit criticism they have, even if you haven't personally experienced it. Hell, I played WWE 2K20 and the worst bug I encountered was being unable to do springboard moves to a grounded opponent(and not from the ring apron, mind you). Adding on to that...

2) So, in other words, it's a bit like Borderlands GOTY Enhanced and God of War 2018 where both games have a memory leak issue, but not everyone experiences issues related to that, right?

The word used is correct honestly, some people buy this PS1 game and expect a remaster because they have trouble reading.

[CSDX]

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

Originally posted by CSDX:

1) Don't call people crybabies if there's legit criticism they have, even if you haven't personally experienced it. Hell, I played WWE 2K20 and the worst bug I encountered was being unable to do springboard moves to a grounded opponent(and not from the ring apron, mind you). Adding on to that...

2) So, in other words, it's a bit like Borderlands GOTY Enhanced and God of War 2018 where both games have a memory leak issue, but not everyone experiences issues related to that, right?

The word used is correct honestly, some people buy this PS1 game and expect a remaster because they have trouble reading.

I wasn't talking about beliefs of it being a remaster, I was referring to the horror stories I mentioned earlier that I heard in regards to the entire collection. In fact, this is the first time I heard of anyone complaining that it isn't a remaster, especially since I could swear at least 2 & 3 are remasters.

You sure you don't mean remakes? Cause I'd understand if you're saying they thought it'd be a remake, cause iirc a remaster is basically the same game touched up for newer hardware(or in some rare cases, the same hardware it was already on such as with DMC3 and the "Shadows" Edition of Telltale Batman) with some extra fixes(if they bother to do so, such as Sega and not fixing the SADX bugs and apparently messing up the SA2 remaster on PS3/360/PC), visual enhancements(ex. Return to Arkham, which is so buggy that I'm glad it didn't come to PC but sad at the same time cause of how improved the graphics are), and maybe some slight adjustments to stuff like collectible locations(I only say that cause iirc a Lost Soul in DmC: Devil May Cry was in a different place in the Definitive Edition, and I remember getting so confused about that cause a guide said otherwise), while a remake is built from the ground up, and usually is either 1:1 with a few enhancements or a complete and utter overhaul of everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

I didn't say that Kojima didn't include MGS TTS in the master collection I said that he didn't include it in the legacy and HD collection because MGS TTS is pretty bad overall, being bad is the reason it's not in VOL1.

Metal gear survive sold more copies than MGS TTS btw.

Exactly, Survive sold more copies than TS because it was and still is available on various platforms. As for Kojima not including TS in the Legacy and HD collections, the actual reason is Nintendo. Even if Kojima wanted to include TS in said collections, he wouldn't be able to without Nintendo's permission. In other words, Konami would have to split profits with Nintendo or pay some value in advance.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

Originally posted by CSDX:

1) Don't call people crybabies if there's legit criticism they have, even if you haven't personally experienced it. Hell, I played WWE 2K20 and the worst bug I encountered was being unable to do springboard moves to a grounded opponent(and not from the ring apron, mind you). Adding on to that...

2) So, in other words, it's a bit like Borderlands GOTY Enhanced and God of War 2018 where both games have a memory leak issue, but not everyone experiences issues related to that, right?

The word used is correct honestly, some people buy this PS1 game and expect a remaster because they have trouble reading.

Well, the thing is that a game doesn't have to be a remaster to have basic features like resolution settings, which are absent in MGS. Are you new to PC gaming? That's a normal thing here. In fact, the original PC port had that, so the MC version of MGS is actually a downgrade.

[YellowJello]

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

The word used is correct honestly, some people buy this PS1 game and expect a remaster because they have trouble reading.

Well, the thing is that a game doesn't have to be a remaster to have basic features like resolution settings, which are absent in MGS. Are you new to PC gaming? That's a normal thing here. In fact, the original PC port had that, so the MC version of MGS is actually a downgrade.

The original PC port is an unplayable, broken mess. It wouldn't have been worth the resources to get it fixed considering the source files are long gone. They basically would've had to retool the entire game (probably in a new engine), which is not the purpose of this collection. This is the PS1 game. It's advertised that way. You can't change the resolution on PS1, so you can't change it here.

And before you even say it, they can't just apply the community patches. Those are band-aids.