METAL GEAR SOLID - Master Collection Version

METAL GEAR SOLID - Master Collection Version

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LIGHTNING Dec 22, 2023 @ 7:00am
Tons of review says bad port but doesn't explain why
So what do people exactly mean when they say bad port?
I need to know since this is actually the only way for me to play 2 and 3 and I'm planning to buy.

If it's low res textures then I have a tolerance for that since this is an old game.
It it's lack of PC options I'm fine with that too.
If it's lack of modern controls such as mouse and keyboard support then it might bother me a bit, but i think I can do away with it.
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Skeeka Dec 22, 2023 @ 7:19am 
If you're fine with these things then the ports are mostly servicable. MGS2 and 3 are locked to 720p with no resolution settings which really shouldn't be the case in a 2023 release let alone on PC but at least there are mods.

Honestly, the biggest issue to me is more audio related. The sound in all the games is somewhat compressed which is sometimes more, sometimes less noticable but imo MGS1 got it worse with cracking noises and other weird audio glitches during cutscenes that aren't in any other version.
Rialm Dec 22, 2023 @ 7:40am 
The port was good, only issue I had was the sound while playing the EU version, not anymore.

The game did not have some features that one could expect on a pc game. they are adding it.

It's really worth it, the game looks like the old days, if you want a version with better graphic buy the GOG version, I have both, and I'm happy for both purchase. In this version not only you have some lore etc but to change language, is HUGEE!

Have fun!
metal_hamster Dec 22, 2023 @ 7:48am 
Because people have never played the original game on the original hardware. Lots of demands for things that didn't exist in the original.
BIO FOREST Dec 22, 2023 @ 7:48am 
Originally posted by LIGHTNING:
So what do people exactly mean when they say bad port?
I need to know since this is actually the only way for me to play 2 and 3 and I'm planning to buy.

The problem is that they're bare bones and a little worse than the PS3 versions (ps1 classic on ps3 for 1 and the Bluepoint HD versions of 2 and 3) just mediocre, not terrible, but its not worth the $60 asking price. With analog controls not working for mgs1 until I think 1.4.0 and sound effects being worse since M2's emulator not handling the ps1's Reverb well and the pitch of some sounds being altered, probably a result of the emulator.

2 and 3 have badly compressed audio and 3 has questionable sound mixing. MGS2 has a bizarre problem where during the climax the game will have a "disc read error" and no one knows why it happens and it's completely random. Some get it 100% of the time, some don't get it at all, and and some have a 50/50 chance it'll happen.

Add on top of that, the ps2 games are at 720p with no options to increase it. If it's to keep the DOF effects from breaking, I can see that. But Bayonetta's PC port has the same issue and if you really want the DOF to work, you could just make the conscience decision to lower it to 720p yourself and still have the option for higher resolutions without a mod like MGS HD Fix.

Solid 3 is the better port of the three. But the sound mixing issues and the incorrect gamma is its biggest drawbacks at the moment.
Skeeka Dec 22, 2023 @ 7:52am 
Originally posted by BIO FOREST:

The problem is that they're bare bones and a little worse than the PS3 versions (ps1 classic on ps3 for 1 and the Bluepoint HD versions of 2 and 3)

The sad part about this is that they did actually fix some legitimate issues the old Bluepoint HD Remasters had, which makes it more frustrating. Some parts of this collection have genuine effort put into them and with other areas you can see how it was hastily pushed out the door without any polish.
Last edited by Skeeka; Dec 22, 2023 @ 7:53am
BIO FOREST Dec 22, 2023 @ 8:06am 
Originally posted by Skeeka:

The sad part about this is that they did actually fix some legitimate issues the old Bluepoint HD Remasters had, which makes it more frustrating. Some parts of this collection have genuine effort put into them and with other areas you can see how it was hastily pushed out the door without any polish.
Yeah! When I found out the MGS2 codec bug was fixed and Konami wasn't advertising it, I thought they were doing a good port with fixes to make the BP versions more accurate.

I don't need 144fps, better textures, or some other obnoxious enhancements. Just a port that fixes all of BP's flubs to have the best version of these games, but I guess Konami didn't have the heart to do it. And then charge $60. I thought that price would be for the effort to restore everything back from the BP ports besides the skating mini game or Snake vs. Monkey. Maybe I'll get 3 from this winter sale, but I'm still hesitant on the idea. I can play MGS1 and the MSX games elsewhere. MGS2 is a weird one, I'd prefer the BP version other than the old PC port but that Disc Read error is mad suspect.
Skeeka Dec 22, 2023 @ 8:15am 
Originally posted by BIO FOREST:
Originally posted by Skeeka:

The sad part about this is that they did actually fix some legitimate issues the old Bluepoint HD Remasters had, which makes it more frustrating. Some parts of this collection have genuine effort put into them and with other areas you can see how it was hastily pushed out the door without any polish.
Yeah! When I found out the MGS2 codec bug was fixed and Konami wasn't advertising it, I thought they were doing a good port with fixes to make the BP versions more accurate.

I don't need 144fps, better textures, or some other obnoxious enhancements. Just a port that fixes all of BP's flubs to have the best version of these games, but I guess Konami didn't have the heart to do it. And then charge $60. I thought that price would be for the effort to restore everything back from the BP ports besides the skating mini game or Snake vs. Monkey. Maybe I'll get 3 from this winter sale, but I'm still hesitant on the idea. I can play MGS1 and the MSX games elsewhere. MGS2 is a weird one, I'd prefer the BP version other than the old PC port but that Disc Read error is mad suspect.

The worst part in the old ports for me was massive slowdown in certain areas in MGS3 if you triggered an alarm. The base right before you fight Ocelot for example. Now as far as I know this only affected the PS3 version but it was the one I had and it was kind of a bummer. At least that is gone now. As well as the slowdown in cutscenes with Volgin's lightning effects. No idea if that too was only a PS3 issue though.
Last edited by Skeeka; Dec 22, 2023 @ 8:15am
BIO FOREST Dec 22, 2023 @ 8:23am 
Originally posted by Skeeka:

The worst part in the old ports for me was massive slowdown in certain areas in MGS3 if you triggered an alarm. The base right before you fight Ocelot for example. Now as far as I know this only affected the PS3 version but it was the one I had and it was kind of a bummer. At least that is gone now. As well as the slowdown in cutscenes with Volgin's lightning effects. No idea if that too was only a PS3 issue though.
Eh. That's only a problem in hindsight. There was nothing BP could do since the PS3 was such a complicated system. It was fine for the time. The 360 version does perform better. Although I've only played it on an Xbox One so I can't remember how it played on original hardware.
Deathraven13 Dec 22, 2023 @ 10:37am 
Originally posted by metal_hamster:
Because people have never played the original game on the original hardware. Lots of demands for things that didn't exist in the original.
:steamthis:

Originally posted by LIGHTNING:
So what do people exactly mean when they say bad port?
I need to know since this is actually the only way for me to play 2 and 3 and I'm planning to buy.

If it's low res textures then I have a tolerance for that since this is an old game.
It it's lack of PC options I'm fine with that too.
If it's lack of modern controls such as mouse and keyboard support then it might bother me a bit, but i think I can do away with it.

Then the collection is for you, it's hard to make a game that was made for console into using a mouse effectively.

Basicaly it's not really that the port it's bad it's a cover to get revenge on Konami after kojima got fired by them, between "Konami fired kojima don't buy these games" and "this collection is thrash" the second one is more effective, but all the reviews are not just about this, some people don't do their own research so they'll believe youtubers and such without searching for the truth thus they'll blindly reviewbomb, some even believed that this was a remastered collection.

Basicaly some people wanted this collection to be in 1080P/4K/8K because emulation can do it but Konami here went for the OG experience with some QOL content and some books, pretty much plug and play so back in the days you didn't insert a disk and could change the resolution, a proof that they went the OG way is MGS1 being on the default resolution like back in the days, so pirates who use emulators call Konami lazy for that but if Konami sold the games just like if it was emulated like their emulators they'll also call them lazy, so better ignore them.

In general these people are ignored because they don't understand much, like this collection didn't just came out on PC thus it wasn't specifically made for PC, a remastered collection would be pointless since MGS DELTA is coming next year (MGS3 but with better stuff) so some wanted a remastered collection for 60$ (or less) but again good luck trying to reason with them.

It's even more sad because people did ask for Konami to port the games to PC and when they do they get some people mad lmao. For 60$ I'm pretty happy about it, my MGS 1 2 & 3 died years ago and since we are on PC I'll be happy to get a randomizer or maybe some mods that can change the difficulty, so for now I can play without issues, since I didn't pirate the games I don't know how it look like on emulators and I'm not interested to see 3 more pixels on screen, it's even worse for kojima fans because this change how he saw the games so they make no sense, it actually make him look bad because emulators can do a better job than him, sadly since they have no reason they go like this: If it's good = It's thanks to kojima, if it's bad = It's because of Konami/someone else.

Finaly someone in one of the topic wished that CAPCOM would bring the old RE games to PC, I'd buy that trilogy even if it's not in 1080P, heck I'd prefer if they sticked to the OG resolution and just like with MGS1 added multiple versions and a master book to learn about lore and secrets, well young people prefer graphism over gameplay nowadays so....

Hope that help.
Phuderoso Dec 22, 2023 @ 2:46pm 
Originally posted by LIGHTNING:
So what do people exactly mean when they say bad port?
If it's low res textures then I have a tolerance for that since this is an old game.
It it's lack of PC options I'm fine with that too.
If it's lack of modern controls such as mouse and keyboard support then it might bother me a bit, but i think I can do away with it.

PROBLEM IS.... THE MGS PC PORT FROM 2000-2002 HAD ALREADY SOLVED ALL THESE MENTIONED ISSUES! That version was a honest experience, without any of the Playstation flaws, tailored made for PC. All negative reviews are valid, and whoever says otherwise never came to know or hear about what this lame PSX emulation released for Steam should had been. No, THIS IS NOT FINE! THIS EMULATION IS A SCAM!
Deathraven13 Dec 22, 2023 @ 3:12pm 
Originally posted by Phuderoso:
PROBLEM IS.... THE MGS PC PORT FROM 2000-2002 HAD ALREADY SOLVED ALL THESE MENTIONED ISSUES! That version was a honest experience, without any of the Playstation flaws, tailored made for PC. All negative reviews are valid, and whoever says otherwise never came to know or hear about what this lame PSX emulation released for Steam should had been. No, THIS IS NOT FINE! THIS EMULATION IS A SCAM!

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No achievements on MGS2 & 3 so honestly it's not hard to see that you are trolling, you'll refund the collection after necroing and trolling around and......... well I dunno what your goal is especialy since MGS1 GOG is far from perfect otherwise you wouldn't need the patch that fix the GOG version.
Deathraven13 Dec 22, 2023 @ 3:30pm 
Originally posted by Phuderoso:
Evidences, you ask?
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NOT HARD TO SEE YOU ARE A THE REAL TROLL, OR SHOULD I CALL YOU "KONAMI FANBOY" TRYING TO RAIL THE TOPIC. LAME. WHAT IF I HAVE SEEN A GAMEPLAY OR IF I HAD A FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE SOMEWHERE ELSE? SHOULD I EXPLAIN MYSELF? NO, I CANNOT BOTHER TO ARGUE WITH LAME PEOPLE.

If you had done some research you would have seen that this is the PS1 version so that doesn't hold up. ;)
Phuderoso Dec 22, 2023 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by Deathraven13:
If you had done some research you would have seen that this is the PS1 version so that doesn't hold up. ;)

Therefore?

*FACEPALM*

Anyway, to everyone else who cares. The other games in the collection are fine versions, since they are higher resolution versions of Bluepoint's work on the HD Collection (mods can already unlock the res), but this one, despite some really, really cool extras, looks like ass and has severe input delay. It loses in the visuals and gameplay department to the GOG PC version with the fan launcher. If you get this one, it's for the extras, the others are cool but this one, not so much. I recommend the GOG version over it.
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Deathraven13 Dec 22, 2023 @ 3:38pm 
Originally posted by Phuderoso:
Therefore?

*FACEPALM*

Anyway, to everyone else who cares. The other games in the collection are fine versions, since they are higher resolution versions of Bluepoint's work on the HD Collection (mods can already unlock the res), but this one, despite some really, really cool extras, looks like ass and has severe input delay. It loses in the visuals and gameplay department to the GOG PC version with the fan launcher. If you get this one, it's for the extras, the others are cool but this one, not so much. I recommend the GOG version over it.

You've admitted that you've bought the games 30 minutes ago, even people who did not have played these games can understand that you have not played them, you have no achievements and less than an hour so how can you say a game run fine when you have not completed it ? You could have some crashes and such, thus you've proven my point. :DMCJester1:
Pierce Dalton Dec 23, 2023 @ 1:43am 
Go to Konami's official website, and you'll find out why.
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