PSA: Please don't skip the MSX games.

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I'm sure many players—particularly newcomers—are going to play MGS1 first, but I strongly advise starting with the MSX games. Not only do they provide some context about who the hell that Big Boss guy is, they're great games and always will be.

The original Metal Gear is still pretty fun, and I'd say its sequel, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, is better than MGS1 in some ways. While there's some cryptic moments in the first, neither game is terribly challenging, especially considering how old they are.

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Originally posted by ArcTheWolf:

Yeah I think that was the one I was playing, I can't remember which version was in MGS3 extras, I just remember spending like 30 minutes lost and I saved then came back later only to find myself in an elevator transition zone before that 30 minutes lost collecting things I needed lol

The version included in later MGS3 releases is the MSX version, so definitely you didn't play the NES port.

Most of the checkpoints in MG1 are the elevator rooms. They're fair enough while you're playing, but if you don't know that saving your progress so you can quit and play later will save you at the last checkpoint with only the things you had before activating the last checkpoint, I suppose saving could be frustrating.

MG2 is certainly better in that regard. Apart from having more checkpoints, it's easier to know when you've reached a checkpoint.

[YellowJello]

Originally posted by Bͥatͣmͫan:

Originally posted by YellowJello:

Be dumb if you want.

𝐄𝐬𝐜𝐚𝐩𝐞 𝐅𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐍𝐞𝐰 𝐘𝐨𝐫𝐤 𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐊𝐨𝐣𝐢𝐦𝐚'𝐬 '𝐚 𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐠𝐮𝐲'


https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/28/9625556/metal-gear-solid-escape-from-new-york-lawsuit-kojima-john-carpenter

you were saying?

Carpenter, speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, said one of the rights holders to his 1981 film "wanted to also go after the video game Metal Gear Solid, which is kind of a rip-off of Escape From New York, too," Carpenter said..

But lucky for kojima he does what he's always been doing when he meet Hollywood stars, he bows and smile.

I already stated it was only one of many, many influences. What you posted is based on an opinion of an outside party.

[Massivive]

Originally posted by Bͥatͣmͫan:

good games are good forever is not always the case
game play can become outdated.

you're sort of right
however gameplay doesn't become outdated simply due to the game's age, it becomes outdated when another game comes by and does the same thing but more elegantly
tons of games copied Resident Evil 4 but the original game has aged just fine as very few of them managed to play better than it
I think the gameplay of MG2 makes MG1 a bit dated, but the way that MG2 plays has stood the passage of time fairly well

[YellowJello]

Originally posted by Bͥatͣmͫan:

Originally posted by YellowJello:

I already stated it was only one of many, many influences. What you posted is based on an opinion of an outside party.

An outside party?
john Carpenter the creator and director of escape from new York and LA
telling you and i quote "Metal Gear Solid, which is kind of a rip-off of Escape From New York, too,"
the real freaking mastermind of it all!
how is that an outside party?????

Because John Carpenter has exactly zero to do with Konami or Metal Gear Solid. He's an outside party. This is like saying Ellen Page had something to do with The Last of Us because Ellie was based off of her appearance.

[YellowJello]

Originally posted by Bͥatͣmͫan:

Originally posted by YellowJello:

Because John Carpenter has exactly zero to do with Konami or Metal Gear Solid. He's an outside party. This is like saying Ellen Page had something to do with The Last of Us because Ellie was based off of her appearance.

what the last of us games or show? because if we talk about the show
sure i can see the Ellen Page there.

The games, obviously. lol

[YellowJello]

Originally posted by Bͥatͣmͫan:

Originally posted by YellowJello:

The games, obviously. lol

i know I was joking there.
i just hate the show

Meh. I thought it was fine, but it had all the same problems that the second game had. Lots of bad virtue signaling and "commentary" with the dialogue. Druckmann can't write for ♥♥♥♥.

[Criegrrunov]

I second the motion, please do not skip the MSX Games, they are amazing!

There is no shame in looking at a guide since in both games there is absolutely cryptic stuff you need to pull off to advance but both these games are absolutely amazing.

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Originally posted by Criegrrunov:

there is absolutely cryptic stuff you need to pull off to advance

There's a few in the first game, but the sequel doesn't really have any. It has enough hints that I managed to finish it without ever being tempted to look up a guide.

Gotta have the tap code though, which was apparently absent in the PS2 port included in MGS3 Subsistence; a colossal oopsie that was fortunately never repeated.