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Pierce Dalton Oct 19, 2023 @ 11:02pm
Gameplay leaked (PS5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0esWe1HnHg

Framerate clearly drops to less than 30 in many sections.

Welp, good thing I didn't preorder this collection.
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ZASZ Oct 20, 2023 @ 12:31am 
That's actually software accurate because all the MGS games in this collection are based on the original PSX versions that are locked at 30 FPS and barely goes at a consistent 30 FPS.

https://youtu.be/w3xAkpNVdQg?si=0fk4c02Xqch79MS6
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Pierce Dalton Oct 20, 2023 @ 12:32am 
Originally posted by ZASZ:
That's actually software accurate because all the MGS games in this collection are based on the original PSX versions that are locked at 30 FPS and barely goes at a consistent 30 FPS.

https://youtu.be/w3xAkpNVdQg?si=0fk4c02Xqch79MS6

Yes, I know it's accurate. I had a PS1 and beat MGS countless times.

Funnily enough, I posted this same video here a few days ago.
Last edited by Pierce Dalton; Oct 20, 2023 @ 12:33am
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Nanaki Oct 20, 2023 @ 1:35am 
I wish people wouldn't campaign so hard against games, I have found over the years that 90% of the time, the information is wrong or already known through history.

Tryhard I guess...
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Pierce Dalton Oct 20, 2023 @ 1:39am 
Originally posted by Nanaki:
I wish people wouldn't campaign so hard against games, I have found over the years that 90% of the time, the information is wrong or already known through history.

Tryhard I guess...

And I wish that Konami did a better job because Metal Gear Solid is one of my favorite games. Besides, it's the most important game of the franchise. Without it, we wouldn't be here. It definitely deserved a better treatment from Konami, considering what this game did for Konami.
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Nanaki Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:24am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by Nanaki:
I wish people wouldn't campaign so hard against games, I have found over the years that 90% of the time, the information is wrong or already known through history.

Tryhard I guess...

And I wish that Konami did a better job because Metal Gear Solid is one of my favorite games. Besides, it's the most important game of the franchise. Without it, we wouldn't be here. It definitely deserved a better treatment from Konami, considering what this game did for Konami.

Mere words do not describe the love I have for this franchise, it is awesome and historically Konami put the usual corp restrictions on Kojima and the team throughout the series, the split in the community is unfair and both Konami and Kojima deserve credit respectively but greed can do one.

In any case the series properly coming to PC is massive, also a first for MGS3.

Look at Death Stranding as proof of less restrictions, a weird game wouldn't make it past shareholders at Konami yet it sold very well.

I am hoping that Kojima buys his franchise back and gives it a proper last send off, but that is wishful thinking.
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Plake Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:28am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by Nanaki:
I wish people wouldn't campaign so hard against games, I have found over the years that 90% of the time, the information is wrong or already known through history.

Tryhard I guess...

And I wish that Konami did a better job because Metal Gear Solid is one of my favorite games. Besides, it's the most important game of the franchise. Without it, we wouldn't be here. It definitely deserved a better treatment from Konami, considering what this game did for Konami.
I wish people would stop destroying their brain with drugs/alcohol and start to use it, then they'd find out that the 30 fps is a limitation by the engine used in MGS1! :steambored:

So the only way to increase fps is to remake it in a new engine...
Last edited by Plake; Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:29am
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Nanaki Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:33am 
Originally posted by Plake:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

And I wish that Konami did a better job because Metal Gear Solid is one of my favorite games. Besides, it's the most important game of the franchise. Without it, we wouldn't be here. It definitely deserved a better treatment from Konami, considering what this game did for Konami.
I wish people would stop destroying their brain with drugs/alcohol and start to use it, then they'd find out that the 30 fps is a limitation by the engine used in MGS1! :steambored:

So the only way to increase fps is to remake it in a new engine...

I did know that, having dabbled in emulation myself :)
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Plake Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:35am 
Yeah, funny enough: Konami DID give it a makeover, which even got the final blessing of Kojima before release, but people still didn't like it ("muh cutscenes!!!1!"). At least MGS3 Delta seems to keep the audio the same...

(Edit: and imo: I always skip codecs and cutscenes and LIKED MGS1 with MGS2 gameplay ;-P)
Last edited by Plake; Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:41am
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Pierce Dalton Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:40am 
Originally posted by Plake:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

And I wish that Konami did a better job because Metal Gear Solid is one of my favorite games. Besides, it's the most important game of the franchise. Without it, we wouldn't be here. It definitely deserved a better treatment from Konami, considering what this game did for Konami.
I wish people would stop destroying their brain with drugs/alcohol and start to use it, then they'd find out that the 30 fps is a limitation by the engine used in MGS1! :steambored:

So the only way to increase fps is to remake it in a new engine...

And if you played the game on emulators, then you would find out that it runs much better than this, even with this limitation (which I'm aware of). So it's not necessary to "remake it in a new engine" to achieve better performance.
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Toasty Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:52am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
And if you played the game on emulators, then you would find out that it runs much better than this, even with this limitation (which I'm aware of). So it's not necessary to "remake it in a new engine" to achieve better performance.
It literally doesn't. Someone already pointed this out. The game's engine runs at 30 fps.

The same is true of the PC version on GOG.
Last edited by Toasty; Oct 20, 2023 @ 2:56am
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Pierce Dalton Oct 20, 2023 @ 3:03am 
Originally posted by Toasty:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
And if you played the game on emulators, then you would find out that it runs much better than this, even with this limitation (which I'm aware of). So it's not necessary to "remake it in a new engine" to achieve better performance.
It literally doesn't. Someone already pointed this out. The game's engine runs at 30 fps.

I'm not saying (or even implying) the game runs at 60fps anywhere lol.

Maybe you should re-read the op, because you're totally missing the point here.
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Toasty Oct 20, 2023 @ 3:04am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
I'm not saying (or even implying) the game runs at 60fps anywhere lol.

Maybe you should re-read the op, because you're totally missing the point here.
The drops are consistent with PSX. It's actually a sign of accurate emulation.
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Pierce Dalton Oct 20, 2023 @ 3:06am 
Originally posted by Toasty:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
I'm not saying (or even implying) the game runs at 60fps anywhere lol.

Maybe you should re-read the op, because you're totally missing the point here.
The drops are consistent with PSX. It's actually a sign of accurate emulation.

Oh, so that's a benefit now? You can't be serious.
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Toasty Oct 20, 2023 @ 3:17am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Oh, so that's a benefit now? You can't be serious.
Accurate emulation is usually the goal, yes.
LLE > HLE (when possible)

There's actually a particular n64 game I can think of that doesn't work as intended unless it lags like it does on original hardware.
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Pierce Dalton Oct 20, 2023 @ 3:25am 
Originally posted by Toasty:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Oh, so that's a benefit now? You can't be serious.
Accurate emulation is usually the goal, yes.
LLE > HLE (when possible)

There's actually a particular n64 game I can think of that doesn't work as intended unless it lags like it does on original hardware.

If accurate emulation is the goal, then it shouldn't be.

Emulators are capable of running the game at consistent 30fps, that should be the goal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ4rCf4oZFY

Now watch the same section of the game in the Master Collection version, at 25:00:

https://youtu.be/Z0esWe1HnHg

It's a slideshow. What you're failing to realize is that accuracy is the issue here.
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