Konami, please never include Twin Snakes

[YellowJello]

It's a bad game that shouldn't have been made. It's not worth the licensing and modifying that would be required. People that like Twin Snakes probably also like weird things like putting mayo on pizza.

[Trygger]

I liked Twin Snakes. I still prefer the original, but I don't think Twin Snakes was a bad game. It was fun comparing and contrasting the little differences like what parts of rooms were changed, how certain mechanics were changed, etc.

My biggest gripe about TS though was mostly the lack of difficulty. While the game runs on "MGS2 physics" the MGS1-era maps weren't really changed hard to accommodate them, and first person view shooting as well as the M9 makes it much easier then the PS1 version. You also start with a "full" inventory capacity and lifebar in Twin Snakes, while MGS1 had you with a tiny HP bar and inventory space, which increases after each boss.

Some boss fights are a lot easier too. Not just from FPV aiming but Ocelot for instance does a very long "ow I'm hit!" animation when shot, which makes it very easy to stunlock him with proper timing, even with the M9.

Cutscenes I'm mixed on. Some of the stupid stuff like Snake backflipping off a rocket actually doesn't really bother me that much, Metal Gear was never super "serious". Snake almost shooting Baker because he forgot Meryl's codec number is where my main gripe is with the cutscenes actually.

I hope Twin Snakes is eventually included for completion's sake. Maybe in a future volume. I mean, NES MG1 and Snakes Revenge (SR is non-canon, nes MG1 had many changes and is non-canon) are included, so I don't think it would be a stretch to include Twin Snakes. MGS4 even uses voice lines from TS in flashbacks, implying both PS1 MGS1 and Twin Snakes are "canon".


EDIT: I posted this earlier. Damn goldfish memory.

[Pierce Dalton]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 13TH UF Trygger (HelmSkunk):

I liked Twin Snakes. I still prefer the original, but I don't think Twin Snakes was a bad game. It was fun comparing and contrasting the little differences like what parts of rooms were changed, how certain mechanics were changed, etc.

My biggest gripe about TS though was mostly the lack of difficulty. While the game runs on "MGS2 physics" the MGS1-era maps weren't really changed hard to accommodate them, and first person view shooting as well as the M9 makes it much easier then the PS1 version. You also start with a "full" inventory capacity and lifebar in Twin Snakes, while MGS1 had you with a tiny HP bar and inventory space, which increases after each boss.

Some boss fights are a lot easier too. Not just from FPV aiming but Ocelot for instance does a very long "ow I'm hit!" animation when shot, which makes it very easy to stunlock him with proper timing, even with the M9.

Cutscenes I'm mixed on. Some of the stupid stuff like Snake backflipping off a rocket actually doesn't really bother me that much, Metal Gear was never super "serious". Snake almost shooting Baker because he forgot Meryl's codec number is where my main gripe is with the cutscenes actually.

I hope Twin Snakes is eventually included for completion's sake. Maybe in a future volume. I mean, NES MG1 and Snakes Revenge (SR is non-canon, nes MG1 had many changes and is non-canon) are included, so I don't think it would be a stretch to include Twin Snakes. MGS4 even uses voice lines from TS in flashbacks, implying both PS1 MGS1 and Twin Snakes are "canon".


EDIT: I posted this earlier. Damn goldfish memory.

Ocelot is super easy to beat in the original too if you run and aim at the same time, but not everyone knows about this trick (hold square and X, then move).

I agree that having the ability to aim in first person made the game easier, but then again you don't have to use it if you want the original experience.

[GalaxiaShadow]

Since they added Snake's Revenge and the NES version of MG1, I can see them adding Twin Snakes to Vol. 2

[GalaxiaShadow]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GalaxiaShadow:

Since they added Snake's Revenge and the NES version of MG1, I can see them adding Twin Snakes to Vol. 2

Though I just remembered the cameos relating to Mario so maybe it's not possible.

[-Dingoling-]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Deathraven13:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -Dingoling-:

Twin Snakes was my first Metal Gear game and i didn't think it was bad in anyway (tho, i admit that some cutscenes are over the top, not that the rest of the franchise isn't). It also didn't ruin the franchise for me either.

When you start with the inferior version of course your standard will be lower, it's like if you went for a Big Mac and the next day a 3 star chef made your meal, you'll say that the 3 star meal was good, but if you reverse the situation you'll say that the Big Mac wasn't great.

Fair point. Tho the Big Mac is still really tasty and TTS is mechanically better tha n the first MGS imo.

[Pierce Dalton]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GalaxiaShadow:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GalaxiaShadow:

Since they added Snake's Revenge and the NES version of MG1, I can see them adding Twin Snakes to Vol. 2

Though I just remembered the cameos relating to Mario so maybe it's not possible.

That's easily fixable, simply remove or replace them with Konami characters.

[CybernetikFrozone]

For the sake of completeness, Twin Snakes should be there, but it shouldn't be played, for the sake of completeness, MGS4 should also be there and that should be played.

But I can also download all the titles as a ROM and play them using the emulator.

[Pierce Dalton]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CybernetikFrozone:

For the sake of completeness, Twin Snakes should be there, but it shouldn't be played, for the sake of completeness, MGS4 should also be there and that should be played.

But I can also download all the titles as a ROM and play them using the emulator.

I'd rather play Twin Snakes than the original MGS, not because I consider TS better, but because I played the original too many times already.

[Deathraven13]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pierce Dalton:

I'd rather play Twin Snakes than the original MGS, not because I consider TS better, but because I played the original too many times already.

You've played the orginal too many times because it's better than TTS.

[Pierce Dalton]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Deathraven13:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pierce Dalton:

I'd rather play Twin Snakes than the original MGS, not because I consider TS better, but because I played the original too many times already.

You've played the orginal too many times because it's better than TTS.

No, because TS didn't even exist.

[Kethanid]

If they include survive in volume 2 I might actually have to try it, for the laughs anyway

[Kethanid]

I would like to try out the acid games, and of course peace walker better be in there. But yeah that's a big no on twin snakes for me

[i know kung fu]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Skumquat:

If they include survive in volume 2 I might actually have to try it, for the laughs anyway

they aren't going to include a game they're currently selling on steam...

[Marcy is a Time Lord]

Twin Snakes is awesome

[YellowJello]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Toaster Repair Pony:

Twin Snakes is awesome

Twin Snakes is like a turd with a bunch of peas in it.