DPS meter is absolute what I wanted to get back in game as an total casual player......not!

Who does need dps metter? all elite player to fap over how good they are (if they are that good,they earn it but still dont have to be toxic cause other does not spent their live in Tera).

I dont know any MMO where dps meter was actually helpful and did not end up in kicking ppl for not be best dps.

In a Disneyland World of course it would be like this "oh I see your dps is lower then rest of us, if u like we could give u some advice"........in Reality: "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron. learn your class. ♥♥♥♥ off kiddo. Uninstall game"

Originally posted by Zo The Hordes Slayer:

ya. because tera wasnt enough of a tryhard ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. this is not a function. its a gimmick.

I mean...if you feel this way, you shouldn't be joining anything above casual raids. Not far to those who put in actual effort just to get stoned walled because not everyone is pulling their weight.

Originally posted by Grumpy old Git:

There's no P2W in this game. That's about the only good thing about the game left these days.

this is one of the biggest p2w mmorpgs i've seen to date.

Originally posted by x:

Originally posted by Grumpy old Git:

There's no P2W in this game. That's about the only good thing about the game left these days.

this is one of the biggest p2w mmorpgs i've seen to date.

You haven't played a lot of mmorpg's in your life then.

If you're going to make a claim, how about you actually back it up with evidence as to what makes it P2W, yeah?

If you can't follow up with the burden of proof, then be quiet.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

Very good point about console players. I discovered TERA on PS4 and switched to the PC version later. The Playstation-community was super friendly when i played 3-4 years ago.
I came with positiveness into the PC-Community and quickly landed hard on the rough ground.

The developers seem to have the same unawareness about the market potential on console.
I could imagine that TERA on console is still a thing because you dont get many fantasy, open-world MMOS on PSN, especially not free-to-play.
You dont even need PS PLUS to play it. Thats a guaranteed player base.

I started playing TERA when it was still in testing stages and if they'd have the balls to actually keep it P2P, they would've avoided a lot of issues, including toxic elitists ruining the game for everyone else on the PC.

I switched to the Xbox version as soon as it released, though unfortunately, with their cash shop practice with ridiculously high prices on everything, it quickly started to lose players. Even more after BHS took over publishing for the consoles. Main reason is their ridiculous three-tiered subscription plan and battle pass, which cost a small fortune just to purchase along side the subscription where Tier 3 cost almost $50.. Can't remember if they've lowered the price but it's still above $35 for the tier 3 subscription, which give players almost exactly the same benefits the old subscription model gave us back when it was still P2P, at $14 a month..

We used to have Club TERA on Xbox and it was a fair deal. Why they replaced it with the current system is beyond me. It's a joke.

Was tempted to get back into the PC version but when i keep reading more and more about the current state of the game and how much of a toxic cesspool it has become, i'll pass hard on it, DPS meter or not.

If you need a dps meter to feel like you accomplish something in your life by doing dmg to a monster in a game, and especially a game like this. then you really ought to think about your sad little life. Ask any gamer who has been on the market longer then a year. Dps meters ruin games, it doesnt matter how you want things to go. Or how excited you are to see how much dps you do (once again, really... you need a app in a game to feel great?) it is just going to destroy the little community there is and the game with it. But eh good job.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

Well, if they have chosen to stay P2P, then they would certainly have closed the game for several years now, because nearly nobody would have paid that looking at all the better and cheaper alternatives in the MMO-market.

Not necessarily true. Look at Final Fantasy XIV and World of Warcraft. Other MMORPGs have also lasted for many years with a subscription based business model.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

The problem about elitism is also not because it is free to play in my opinion. Ive had several talks with classic players who told me that back in the days it was even worse than now, because for a casual player you couldnt even have a chance to get in a dungeon group for endgame-content.

It is not just limited to F2P titles, obviously, but there is a LOT more elitism and toxicity in F2P titles versus P2P titles.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

They implemented the quick search tool for dungeons which helped that a lot but missed one big reason for elitism.
The game is one of the unbalanced MMOs I have ever witnessed.

Most asian MMOs have a big problem with that and dont do some kind of level scaling.
You need a certain amount of character or gear level to be able to join endgame-content and your damage output relies more on your gear strength than on your player skill.

Obviously, they intended the LFG tool so that people can get into dungeons a lot faster. Back in the day, we had to stand by the dungeon entrances or shout in Velika to get a group going for dungeons, but TERA isn't unique in those regards either really.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

If you want to try out higher dungeons you need to upgrade your gear which almost forces you to play higher dungeons, because the rewards are so unbalanced.
Most people only care about their gear as a result, but even balancing the game would still not solve all elitism.

The result is that if you have +10 more gs than recommended and play the dungeon because of quick search, then you will do nearly all of the damage and be almost invincible.
Many players took that as a reason with the dmg metre to kick players which logically would need to play the dungeons to upgrade their gear.

Ive talked with a friend who played WoW a short time and he told me that this exact elitism is a thing in the game, even though the game is pay-to-play.

As i said, there's toxicity in any mmorpg but it's far more prevalent in F2P titles, due to the ease of access.

Take ESO as a prime example of what i mean.

When the game was still P2P, there was almost no toxicity there. After the game went F2P, it became a toxic cesspool filled with elitists.

The same thing happened with RIFT as well as SWTOR after they went from P2P to F2P.

There really isn't that much toxicity going on in WoW. Especially not in WoW Classic.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

Ofcourse you are right with the rest. 50 bucks per month is way too much and a shock to see knowing that you could play nearly all content as free-to-play-gamer 3-4 years ago on PS4.

I could get convinced to play together. I am a very patient player who doesnt give a thing about gear level and progressing.
I can build a whole guild up from the ground in a few months because nobody cares about casual players.

I always try to find people to play with, but in this game, it is nearly impossible due to the extreme levels of toxicity and elitism.

Originally posted by Mythic Trickster:

If you need a dps meter to feel like you accomplish something in your life by doing dmg to a monster in a game, and especially a game like this. then you really ought to think about your sad little life. Ask any gamer who has been on the market longer then a year. Dps meters ruin games, it doesnt matter how you want things to go. Or how excited you are to see how much dps you do (once again, really... you need a app in a game to feel great?) it is just going to destroy the little community there is and the game with it. But eh good job.

DPS meters are literally an elitist's epeen extender.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

Yeah, they could do it because there were no good alternatives. There are far better games available nowadays and thats why only some of them survive.
Even though it does amaze me aswell.

No. It has to do with marketing and a lot of these developers hire incompetent people to do that job.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

Not everybody can afford a monthly subscription

Yet, the very same people spend five months worth of subscription money every single week in F2P titles. It's hypocrisy at it's best.

Originally posted by TheEternalLord:

I cant relate to ESO, but it is not free-to-play, I would state the same thing about SWTOR.
Having played SWTOR many years as a free-to-play and preferred gamer, It was by far the best and nicest community I have ever experienced.

ESO is a one time purchase, same with the expansions, but the subscription is completely optional and not required.

While SWTOR may have a decent community, the F2P model they use is far from fair.

Originally posted by Ninja™:

Originally posted by Grumpy old Git:

Stop spreading hogwash left right and center.

I know some games have a DPS meter. I've been a gamer as well as a game tester, probably for longer than you've been alive, and i've seen what DPS meters do to gaming communities. DPS meters always ruin the game for casual players aka the majority, because it is people like you who support these DPS meters and trash talk those who don't, who causes games like this to go down in history as toxic cesspools of elitist players because your kind deter casual players aka the majority who would support the game's developer and publisher.

No wonder this game is dead, then!




That's literally what i meant by toxicity and elitism. You actually helped me prove my point in both of your replies, to the freaking letter. Way to go, you!

So in your eyes, anyone who doesn't use the third party DPS meter is a garbage player and should therefore be kicked out of any groups, meaning that everyone on the console version, farming end game content is a garbage player, since console players don't have access to this elitist epeen tool. Got it..

You sure do say a lot of words, but with 0 clue of what you're actually saying... talk less but say stuff with actual substance next time, so you don't waste my time.

First off, you're on a "witch hunt" here... DPS meters didn't ruin your precious game, BHS did. The game is dying because of their terrible management decisions. DPS meters have been around for many years and the game did just fine with them.
Second, don't talk like you know me as we have never actually met or played together, I support DPS meters because they give me invaluable info about the way I am performing and playing the game which helps me analyse my play each match so I can improve, not because I care about how terrible you are at the game. Since, unlike you, I do care about improving myself.
Third, no one here is "deterring" casual players... you guys are free to play with each other, the "elitists" aren't stopping you... but if you aren't interested in improving your playstyle and dps then just stay the hell out of our endgame hard mode lobbies where we actually want to tryhard and do good dps to do the raid in a decent time. Why the hell do you want to play like a casual who does 10% total dps as 1 of 3 damage dealers, but expect to get carried in the top raids of the game anyway??? Do you think anyone owes you their time of the day, you entitled child?

Lastly, I never said anyone who doesn't use dps meter is garbage, learn to read. I answered to that person saying all the "non-p2w players" would get kicked out now with the DPS meter coming to the game, saying that it would be infact the garbage players getting kicked out instead. Since now everyone has access to a DPS meter, even the people who never used Shinra, the lazy/bad people that aren't pulling their weight in raids can't hide anymore and will be pointed out. And good riddance, honestly. If you can't be bothered to do more than 10% as a dps, you don't deserve to be wasting the time of 4 other people. "Casual" isn't an excuse. Go kill BAMs in the Island of Dawn if you can't be bothered to press your buttons for a few minutes in a row to do some damage for your team... I hate you people.

Spoken like a true hypocrit and elitist.

How old are you? 17? You probably haven't played a lot of MMORPGs and experienced what a DPS meter does.

There's a reason TERA is on its last legs right now, and that would be due to people like you and the 3rd party dps meter software.

When people get kicked from a dungeon or raid, it deters them aka they don't want to come back to play the game after getting kicked repeatedly. You do know what the word 'deter' means, yeah?

Originally posted by Ninja™:

Lastly, I never said anyone who doesn't use dps meter is garbage

Originally posted by Ninja™:

Originally posted by Serenenapk:

rip players people gonna kick all non pay to win players from parties

You mean all garbage players.
And it's nothing that hasn't already been happening, DPS meters aren't a new thing you know...

That's literally you saying that those who doesn't use the Shinra DPS meter are garbage players.

Originally posted by Ninja™:

learn to read

I know how to read, but you on the other hand got some weird issue when it comes to remembering your own words.

Originally posted by Ninja™:

"Noooooo guys, getting good at the game is bad, improving is bad, it's elitism, you should all stay casual like me!"

The game was released without a DPS meter and people are clearing content easily enough on consoles where we can't use Shinra just like we did on the PC before shinra came along, so you can stuff your lecture about people not using shinra being garbage players.

There are plenty of games that doesn't have built in DPS meters.

I've seen first hand the damage caused to a community because of DPS meters.

Nothing wrong with getting better at a game, but it shouldn't come at the cost of having a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ gaming experience due to people like you.

This will breed toxic elitism and will put a lot of content out of reach for casual players.

А нахyя, если есть шинра?

Лучше бы фиксанули эту eбyчую оптимизацию, которую никак нельзя выключить. В пустой локации с стабильным 100+ фпс игра зачем-то превращает все вокруг в eбyчее мыло

Originally posted by Ninja™:

Amazing! You keep talking as if you know me from somewhere, and that I'm 17 and somehow you know that I "haven't played a lot of MMORPGs" despite the fact that I have definitely played more than you from what I can tell from the dumb stuff you keep spouting in this thread, you pretentious prick who's "been a gamer for longer than I've been alive", and you keep saying TERA is on its last legs and the DPS meters are all to blame for that... lmfao... you are actually delusional, forget it.

I see that i hit a nerve. Good.

I've been a gamer since the early 80's, and a game tester for two decades. The way you type and handle yourself in a debate, is typical for a 15-17 year old. If you're older or an actual grown up person, then act your age.

Originally posted by Ninja™:

On top of that, you are completely illiterate, as even after I said my piece, you keep banging on the same subjects and saying the same dumb things. I never said "people who don't use Shinra are garbage", I said people who do 10% dps are garbage, and Shinra exposes them since everyone can see the damage they are dealing thanks to it. Learn. To. Read.

Don't use big words if you do not understand their definition.

It's a debate and you keep throwing moot arguments left right and center, where you repeatedly talk about third party DPS meters as if it's the best thing ever since sliced bread and that they don't ruin games, which again, goes to show that you haven't played a lot of MMORPGs and haven't got a lot of experience.

Originally posted by Ninja™:

Stop speaking about matters you know nothing about. The Shinra community has done more good for the endgame community than you'll ever do by being some useless casual player who whines on the forums. The few bad apples using the tool to be toxic to people about their dps doesn't negate the good the tool provides to the people.

You have already established yourself as a rather toxic person in this debate who speaks of matters you do not fully comprehend. Why try to even defend yourself when it is so clear for everyone to see, in the way that you behave yourself in here?

The Shinra 'community' is filled with toxic elitists who enjoy comparing their epeens and trash talk casual players who play the game the way it was intended to be played, and enjoy it. Pretty much like the StarParse community in SWTOR.


Casual players make up the majority of gamers all around the world no matter the game or genre. You and your elitist buddies make up the minority. Once you manage to deter the majority of players, there'll be only you and your elitist buddies still playing. You do the math on who keeps F2P games alive when the majority of money spenders move on to other less toxic and elitist ridden games.

Originally posted by Ninja™:

But anyway, I will not waste any more time than I already have talking to you, it's pointless, I already said my piece anyway. Keep being yet another worthless casual with absolutely zero will to improve, not my problem, it's you who won't have anyone wanting them in their parties, not me. I will keep doing my endgame raids without a care in the world for the "poor, poor casuals", those poor babies who no one wants to play with :(... Grow a fn pair. Everyone was there too at some point. Except some of us put in the effort to actually get better at the game and here we are now, at the top. Get good. And if you don't play TERA anymore, then I wish you luck in your future MMOs, let's see how far that mindset will take you. Though I can already tell what kind of player you are from the ♥♥♥♥ you say, and it's the kind I hate the most, the lazy, entitled, "I am beyond absolutely useless but please carry me anyway as I still want to play alongside actually good players instead of settling for people of my actual skill level" type of player.
It's actually hilarious, poor baby casuals complaining that "content is out of reach for them" but refuse to put in the effort to get better at the game so that they'll be accepted at that content... they just want to be carried like the useless NPCs they are. SETTLE FOR YOUR SKILL LEVEL! If you're a casual, play with casuals. Don't be a 4/10 that only chases super-models and then cries when they reject you.

There you go again, making it clear to everyone just how much of a toxic elitist you are.

You've repeatedly said your piece, and established that you can't stand casual players who rather play the game the way it was intended to be played. Nothing wrong with being in the hardcore minority, but don't think for a second that you're gonna be enough to keep any MMORPG alive after detering the casual player base which makes up the majority.

My mindset in MMORPGs? I was a hardcore raider in WoW for 8 years from 2005-2013 before going semi-hardcore, until i went casual in 2016, and i've done far more than you could ever hope to achieve in an MMORPG. How long have you been a hardcore player? A few years? Three maybe even? Don't come here talking to me about how good you are simply because you're using a DPS meter. A DPS meter is only good for one thing. Excluding other people who doesn't care about comparing epeens with other players. It doesn't automatically increase your skills. I've seen people using DPS meters lose to people who doesn't use them more often than not, yet they're toxic towards anyone not using them. Like you for instance.

It causes discrimination, exclusion, toxicity and elitism towards those who doesn't use a DPS meter, in games that would otherwise be fun and enjoyable to play.

But yeah, you do you. Stay oblivious and see just how far you get with that elitist mindset of yours..

Pros : Allow a few people to really min/max as they want.
Cons : Allow most people to flame each other. Overall increase of community toxicity...

FF XIV made the right choice

Originally posted by Black Swallow:

Лучше, почините, ♥♥♥♥♥, принудительную оптимизацию и уберите этих двух ссанных и дранных додиков из прямого эфира, займитесь, ♥♥♥♥♥, техническими проблемами, овощи

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Originally posted by Grumpy old Git:

There goes the last portion of faith i had in these developers out the window..

The DPS meter is not a long awaited feature, it is a horrible feature to implement and will only increase the toxic elitism already present in the game.

Throw this into the Xbox/PS versions as well and you'll be forced to shut down the game on consoles, because nobody wants that crap.

DPS meters is only for the toxic elitists out there. It'll ruin the game completely.

Can't do more than x amount of dps? Too bad! GTFO scrub! that's literally what happens in every single game that have a DPS meter.

Originally posted by Serenenapk:

rip players people gonna kick all non pay to win players from parties

There's no P2W in this game. That's about the only good thing about the game left these days.

No, John, you are the demons.

Should schools be burned to the ground because the Majority do not get straight As? Should all competition be banned outright as an affront to the Majority?

You definitely seem to think so. Here's what I think:

I think you are the toxin here. I think you're a petty, narcissistic little man that reacts with scorn and hatred when you are bested at anything. I think it simply enrages you when people trash talk you and it only further enrages you when they have the numbers to back it up. I am absolutely certain that you are also the kind of person that seeks to harm people in real life for any slights you've received within the game. I think the only rotation you've memorized in any game you've ever played is the Report-A-Player feature. You and your precious Majority can go do something to yourselves and each other that I am no longer permitted to say online, also because of people like you. You are everything that is wrong with every single online and gaming community, wrapped up in one very, very small, throbbing ball of hypocrisy and indignant rage. I would go further and say that you are an affront to human society in general. At the end of the day, look at how mad you get because of a feature that allows players to see that you are the dead weight that is holding them back, and your response is not shame, indifference, a desire to better yourself, but a request to prevent these people from existing, fueled only by arrogance and frustrated anger. You are a spoiled, evil child. You proudly wear your age like an honorary title. You inform others that you have a lifetime of experience in all things above them. How am I not surprised that a DPS meter is one of your most hated features in a game?
You define "toxic," a word that only those of your ilk would ever use.
Yes, you likely are the Majority, and that should frighten everyone.