Best Strategy for Stealth Ship?

[DiggityDuck]

What is the best strategy for cloaking? I am having a hard time with it.

[BitsWontByte]

Welp, not sure how hard of a time you are having, so i'll go kinda basic too xD. Obviosuly, when you start out, make sure that you use the beam only after the sheilds have been knocked out. I made it to the boss the other day, and what worked for me was getting sheilds ASAP to level 2 or so, and then getting another weapon was key. After that, getting engines upgraded worked pretty well. I ultimately got demolished at the boss's 2nd form with the darn defense drone, since even with lasers, I could only knock out, not peirce his shields and my missle was useless... so maybe adding drones later on would help. Hope this helps some xD

[Biohazard063]

Read the discription on this vid, it's my tutorial on using the cloak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rfVFlkb5Y
If you still have no idea what I mean, watch the vid for a while, seeing it might help more then reading it.
The video is a run with the stealth ship so it also shows how you could get a foot on the ground with it.
The ship relies on cloaking for the early game and getting shields should be a priority.
Also you can run into some real bad luck if you have to face beam drones.

[SocksNonsense]

carefully watch your enemie and only cloak when they fire shots. cloaking adds alot to your dodge. a couple points in your engine is cheap and it will get your dodge closer to 100%

[Wasted]

Originally posted by {-NAG-}Bombsquad:

Also you can run into some real bad luck if you have to face beam drones.

yeah if you run into beam drones with stealth cruiser early on.. it can be game over.. it would make more sense in this scenario to target their drone control instead of their weapons

[schitzN]

Originally posted by wasted:

Originally posted by {-NAG-}Bombsquad:

Also you can run into some real bad luck if you have to face beam drones.

yeah if you run into beam drones with stealth cruiser early on.. it can be game over.. it would make more sense in this scenario to target their drone control instead of their weapons

true

[DiggityDuck]

Originally posted by {-NAG-}Bombsquad:

Read the discription on this vid, it's my tutorial on using the cloak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rfVFlkb5Y
If you still have no idea what I mean, watch the vid for a while, seeing it might help more then reading it.
The video is a run with the stealth ship so it also shows how you could get a foot on the ground with it.
The ship relies on cloaking for the early game and getting shields should be a priority.
Also you can run into some real bad luck if you have to face beam drones.

Thanks!

[Super]

1. Cloak as soon as you begin every fight when you're starting. This is absolutely necesary.
2. As soon as you can, level your cloak to at least 2.
3. Try to get another weapon.

That's pretty much all you need to begin. Stealth cruiser is my number 1 choice, I love it.

[DiggityDuck]

Originally posted by Super:

1. Cloak as soon as you begin every fight when you're starting. This is absolutely necesary.
2. As soon as you can, level your cloak to at least 2.
3. Try to get another weapon.

That's pretty much all you need to begin. Stealth cruiser is my number 1 choice, I love it.

Alright. I'll try it.

[Biohazard063]

Originally posted by Super:

1. Cloak as soon as you begin every fight when you're starting. This is absolutely necesary.
2. As soon as you can, level your cloak to at least 2.
3. Try to get another weapon.

That's pretty much all you need to begin. Stealth cruiser is my number 1 choice, I love it.

It's alot better to only cloak when the enemy fires.
Reason : It makes their first volley miss if your engines are powered enough wich isn't a problem with the A-layout. But also delay there 2nd volley. If your cloak immediatly you loose the first benefit.

[Super]

Funny, never had a problem with doing it as I said and I've cleared the game twice with it.
EDIT: This is because while you are cloaked your weapons continue recharging while your enemies don't. You can perfectly disable all enemy weapons before he ever has a chance to fire.

Either way you don't level your evasion since while you are cloaked missed shots don't give you evasion xp.

EDIT 2: Also, NEVER try to face Zoltan cruisers early. You will ALWAYS lose with the stealth ship.

[Biohazard063]

Originally posted by Super:

Funny, never had a problem with doing it as I said and I've cleared the game twice with it.
EDIT: This is because while you are cloaked your weapons continue recharging while your enemies don't. You can perfectly disable all enemy weapons before he ever has a chance to fire.

Either way you don't level your evasion since while you are cloaked missed shots don't give you evasion xp.

EDIT 2: Also, NEVER try to face Zoltan cruisers early. You will ALWAYS lose with the stealth ship.

Yes, sure, you can win by cloaking immediatly. You can also board with two humans, but using 2 mantis will be better. It just seems to make more sense to wait for them to fire and miss and on top of that delaying their weapons rather then just delaying them. And yeah, super shields are a pain and those zoltan cruiser can often come with a beam as well.

[Super]

1. I am not talking about strategies that do not work from the beginning of the game (for example, I've no mantis cruiser so I can't board since system 1).
2. Initially, you don't even get 100% evasion while cloaked, you get around 85%... which can be extremely tragic, as they may still hit you with a volley.
3. If you get beamed, cloaking will not avoid the beam from opening your hull like butter. This, is the most important reason of why you have to cloak as soon as you come in: To make sure you get the first shot and disable their weapons systems.

I just began a stealth cruiser run, and I even decided to go suicidal by having a fire beam. Even by using a retarded attack plan, the strategy works like a charm:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=182626636

[DoubleLL]

This game rocks!!!

[DarkTwinge]

With The Nesasio, you have 90% evasion while cloaked to start. Cloaking to start is better than not cloaking at all but worse than cloaking at precise moments. In general, if you cloak ot start you'll get the first shot but have only a 30% chance of dodging any weapons still online; if you cloak their first volley, you'll dodge their first volley with 90% evasion AND get in a second shot yorself before they fire again. There are times when both are correct, but in most cases cloaking to dodge their shots is best.

If you want to perform ideally and use the ship to its utmost, you will need to learn enemy weapon timing to know when to cloak for maximum potential. E.g., if they have a Heavy Laser, a small missile launcher (Leto/Artemis), and a Mini-Beam, the normal ideal time to cloak will be right after the missile launcher fires. If it's a Leto, it'll fire at the same time as the Heavy Laser; if it's an Artemis, it'll fire 1 second later and you can cloak both the laser and missile - and in either case you're cloaking before their Mini-Beam fires. You should be able to fire your Dual Lasers immediately before cloaking (firing it while cloaked reduced the cloak duration) and then use your own beam across 3-4 rooms (including their weapons) while the shields are down.


The Nesasio definitely takes some skill and knowledge to use well, but it's strong if you get to that point - I'd expect to win right about 99% of the time with it.

[DiggityDuck]

Originally posted by Twinge:

With The Nesasio, you have 90% evasion while cloaked to start. Cloaking to start is better than not cloaking at all but worse than cloaking at precise moments. In general, if you cloak ot start you'll get the first shot but have only a 30% chance of dodging any weapons still online; if you cloak their first volley, you'll dodge their first volley with 90% evasion AND get in a second shot yorself before they fire again. There are times when both are correct, but in most cases cloaking to dodge their shots is best.

If you want to perform ideally and use the ship to its utmost, you will need to learn enemy weapon timing to know when to cloak for maximum potential. E.g., if they have a Heavy Laser, a small missile launcher (Leto/Artemis), and a Mini-Beam, the normal ideal time to cloak will be right after the missile launcher fires. If it's a Leto, it'll fire at the same time as the Heavy Laser; if it's an Artemis, it'll fire 1 second later and you can cloak both the laser and missile - and in either case you're cloaking before their Mini-Beam fires. You should be able to fire your Dual Lasers immediately before cloaking (firing it while cloaked reduced the cloak duration) and then use your own beam across 3-4 rooms (including their weapons) while the shields are down.


The Nesasio definitely takes some skill and knowledge to use well, but it's strong if you get to that point - I'd expect to win right about 99% of the time with it.

Damn. Very sound strategies!