the ai really just cheats doesnt it

[deadrop66]

at least the final boss 100% cheats hitting missiles when i have nearly a 120% chance to dodge is total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Mike]

No, it doesn't cheat, you just don't understand the evasion mechanics -- which is okay, as they are a bit counterintuitive.

What almost certainly happened here is that you cloaked after the missile had crossed your shield barrier. That's where the evasion check happens. Raising your evasion after that point has no effect.

If your shields are down, however, the evasion check happens when the missile reaches the impact point in the target room.

I think the game does this because it's simpler to have a single mechanism for all projectiles, rather than one for lasers and one for missiles.

I think it's also helpful to the player to see that miss or hit ahead of time.

[deadrop66]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mike:

No, it doesn't cheat, you just don't understand the evasion mechanics -- which is okay, as they are a bit counterintuitive.

What almost certainly happened here is that you cloaked after the missile had crossed your shield barrier. That's where the evasion check happens. Raising your evasion after that point has no effect.

If your shields are down, however, the evasion check happens when the missile reaches the impact point in the target room.

I think the game does this because it's simpler to have a single mechanism for all projectiles, rather than one for lasers and one for missiles.

I think it's also helpful to the player to see that miss or hit ahead of time.

i was cloaked as the missile fired and after the missile hit me

[dream]

Ursprungligen skrivet av deadrop66:

i was cloaked as the missile fired and after the missile hit me

I don’t think this is possible, if it ever happens again you should record a video. 100% dodge to my knowledge means missiles will miss you so long as they haven’t penetrated the shield yet.

[Mike]

Ursprungligen skrivet av deadrop66:

i was cloaked as the missile fired and after the missile hit me

In that case, something happened to drop your evasion below 100%, and you just didn't notice it.

For example, maybe they mind controlled your pilot at the last moment.

[deadrop66]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mike:

Ursprungligen skrivet av deadrop66:

i was cloaked as the missile fired and after the missile hit me

In that case, something happened to drop your evasion below 100%, and you just didn't notice it.

For example, maybe they mind controlled your pilot at the last moment.

ship didnt have mind control and my piloting was maxxed so even if the pilot was not working it still would of been 80% with maxxed engines thats still over 100%

[Arpente Reves]

Steam now has a handy recording feature that is EXTREMELY light weight. Put the recording on "background" and if the AI cheats, immediately make a cut and send it here. IIRC Steam allows clips for up to 60 seconds to be shared directly on the platform

very curious to see the AI cheat personally

[Mike]

There are tens of thousands of hours of FTL recorded on video, maybe hundreds of thousands or even millions, and we have NEVER seen any example where this actually happens -- despite plenty of salty players claiming it does.

I have no idea what you got wrong, but you definitely got something wrong. Maybe they hacked your piloting or engines. Who knows?

[Joe Cool]

In all games that have AI, the AI cheats, and FTL is no different.

For instance, I've noticed that the instant I get lvl 2 shields, all enemies I encounter have lvl 2 or 3. The instant I get lvl 3 shields, all enemies seem to have lvl 3 or 4.

I've fought ships at stars where every pulse sets fire to super important rooms on my ship, while the fires started on their ship are in empty rooms or non essential systems. So I'll constantly have fires starting in my shield room, med bay, O2 room, and weapons room, while fires on the enemy ships start in the sensors room, empty rooms, door control...

It's not nearly as blatant as other games, but it's still way too coincidental to be pure RNG.

[Mike]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Joe Cool:

It's not nearly as blatant as other games, but it's still way too coincidental to be pure RNG.

It's really not, you're just doing the typical human thing of inventing patterns and meaning from randomness.

We know exactly how enemy ships are generated. It has absolutely nothing to do with the player ship.

See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ftlgame/comments/qu8kz7/details_on_enemy_ship_generation/

[phenir]

Ursprungligen skrivet av deadrop66:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mike:

In that case, something happened to drop your evasion below 100%, and you just didn't notice it.

For example, maybe they mind controlled your pilot at the last moment.

ship didnt have mind control and my piloting was maxxed so even if the pilot was not working it still would of been 80% with maxxed engines thats still over 100%

If you don't have anyone in the pilot room (and thus relying on level 3 piloting), the max evasion you can get is (35+10).8 + 60 = 96% evasion, which means, while small, there is still a chance to get hit. If your engines or piloting happened to be being hacked at the time, then you only have the 60% from cloak. Even if you had someone in piloting, if somehow both them and the engine crew were distracted (by repairs, passive hack, or boarders), then you'd only have 95% evasion.

[dream]

Honestly the only time the AI really “cheats” is when it has level 10 shields/weapons

[New Moon On Monday]

Ursprungligen skrivet av deadrop66:

at least the final boss 100% cheats hitting missiles when i have nearly a 120% chance to dodge is total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Maximum possible evasion is 115%. It isn't possible to reach 120%. You were not paying attention to everything and made an error somewhere.

I occasionally get hit when I expect to be dodging via Cloak. I immediately pause the game and look up by the engine icon in the top left corner that tells me my current evasion. When that says something less than 100%, then I look at the ship to see what I forgot about.

In addition to the common situations already posted, something could have ended your cloaking early. Cloaking can get hacked, or ionized, or if you fire non-beam weapons it will end early. I'm not sure if a Zoltan running through Cloaking might end it early in the same way that happens with Mind Control.

If you have the Backup Battery, if it gets hacked it will steal two power from somewhere, it might come out of Cloaking or Engines. Of if the Backup Battery was running your Cloaking or Engines, they will lose their backup power when the battery goes on cooldown.

[deadrop66]

Ursprungligen skrivet av New Moon On Monday:

Ursprungligen skrivet av deadrop66:

at least the final boss 100% cheats hitting missiles when i have nearly a 120% chance to dodge is total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Maximum possible evasion is 115%. It isn't possible to reach 120%. You were not paying attention to everything and made an error somewhere.

I occasionally get hit when I expect to be dodging via Cloak. I immediately pause the game and look up by the engine icon in the top left corner that tells me my current evasion. When that says something less than 100%, then I look at the ship to see what I forgot about.

In addition to the common situations already posted, something could have ended your cloaking early. Cloaking can get hacked, or ionized, or if you fire non-beam weapons it will end early. I'm not sure if a Zoltan running through Cloaking might end it early in the same way that happens with Mind Control.

If you have the Backup Battery, if it gets hacked it will steal two power from somewhere, it might come out of Cloaking or Engines. Of if the Backup Battery was running your Cloaking or Engines, they will lose their backup power when the battery goes on cooldown.

do i need to get the definition of nearly for you? and did you not read i cloaked as soon as the missile fired and was cloaked for several seconds afterwards, you really should take the time to read before you write a novel

[Arpente Reves]

Do I need to get the definition of every single person like you, who claimed that the AI cheats without proof?

[deadrop66]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Arpente Reves:

Do I need to get the definition of every single person like you, who claimed that the AI cheats without proof?

show me proof it doesnt