Don't buy scrap recovery arms.

[shareofhonor]

I never buy scrap recovery. You have to get 500 scrap just to get the 50 back you paid for it. You would be tempted to think the earlier in the game you get it the better. But 50 scrap is worth much more early in the game that later. You can buy level 2 shields for 50 scrap. Having 3 just means you would need 1500 scrap to get back the 150 you paid for them. If I get one free I keep it of course. Never buy them.

[Nickname0329]

Originally posted by Invisible Flames:

It doesn't miligate damage, unless you count buying upgrades to defend agianst that damage. It doesn't increase damage output unless, of course, you buy a weapon with it. It doesn't help ship battles unless, of course, you consider how it pays for them.

The Scrap Recovery Arm is a sometimes to-buy and sometimes to-not kind of item, and that is the opinion that should be shared. You, however, act like it is useless in every situation except for frivilious purchases, which is false.

The fact that it takes 500 scrap to even pay for its own cost means that effeciency is lacking. Especially on normal and hard where scrap management actually matters the scrap recovery arm is useless. You're not going to obtain this super increase in scrap that everyone talks about. You'll maybe see an increase of 200 scrap on hard, 250 on normal if you buy it immediately. And you'll probably have to spend that scrap repairing your ship because you spent scrap on something that doesn't help you fight other ships.

I even prefer buoys to the scrap recovery arm. That will at least garner you an extra event per sector, which could get you 30-40 scrap or any number of useful benefits.

Everything in this game helps you get extra scrap or prevents you from losing scrap. The scrap recovery arm is not special in that way in the slightest. Crew Teleporter gets you a better reward. (More scrap) Defense drone 1 prevents missile fire, which you would have to spend scrap on to repair. (More scrap) Having an engi crew allows you to take advantage of the blue events to repair a planets defense system, or calm down infected. (More scrap) These are all things you can spend scrap on to increase your scrap yield, and the best part is they aren't completely useless in combat.

[Cragspyder]

Despite the fact that the math seems to say that the SRA is never worth it...I consistently find that buying the SRA makes that entire run more successful. I can afford more repairs and I end the game with higher levels of upgrades and a better score. It could simply be a psychological effect on me, where I attribute success in a run to a SRA when it might have been other events or decisions. However, I find it equally likely that the SRA bonus is being undervalued by your equation somehow. Not that your math is wrong, but that there is an advantage to having that bonus scrap that your math does not take into account.

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by Nickname0329:

Originally posted by Invisible Flames:

It doesn't miligate damage, unless you count buying upgrades to defend agianst that damage. It doesn't increase damage output unless, of course, you buy a weapon with it. It doesn't help ship battles unless, of course, you consider how it pays for them.

The Scrap Recovery Arm is a sometimes to-buy and sometimes to-not kind of item, and that is the opinion that should be shared. You, however, act like it is useless in every situation except for frivilious purchases, which is false.

The fact that it takes 500 scrap to even pay for its own cost means that effeciency is lacking. Especially on normal and hard where scrap management actually matters the scrap recovery arm is useless. You're not going to obtain this super increase in scrap that everyone talks about. You'll maybe see an increase of 200 scrap on hard, 250 on normal if you buy it immediately. And you'll probably have to spend that scrap repairing your ship because you spent scrap on something that doesn't help you fight other ships.

I even prefer buoys to the scrap recovery arm. That will at least garner you an extra event per sector, which could get you 30-40 scrap or any number of useful benefits.

Everything in this game helps you get extra scrap or prevents you from losing scrap. The scrap recovery arm is not special in that way in the slightest. Crew Teleporter gets you a better reward. (More scrap) Defense drone 1 prevents missile fire, which you would have to spend scrap on to repair. (More scrap) Having an engi crew allows you to take advantage of the blue events to repair a planets defense system, or calm down infected. (More scrap) These are all things you can spend scrap on to increase your scrap yield, and the best part is they aren't completely useless in combat.

My thoughts exactly, and this is essentially what I said back in page 3 (which earned me an insulting response) . The only time that buying it is consistently a good idea is on easy, where the scrap rewards in general are ridiculously gracious, and even on easy it's at best superfluous since you tend to get enough scrap to upgrade absolutely everything you need.

I suppose I could see it as being useful on normal with AE off as a few ships that start with good setups for the first few sectors, such as Crystal A, or if you get super lucky where an event reward gives you something you would have needed to buy such as if Zoltan A gets a burst laser 2. But even in those situations its somewhat risky for a payoff you don't really benefit from till way later.

[pi73r]

Despite the fact that the math seems to say that the SRA is never worth it...I consistently find that buying the SRA makes that entire run more successful. I can afford more repairs and I end the game with higher levels of upgrades and a better score. It could simply be a psychological effect on me, where I attribute success in a run to a SRA when it might have been other events or decisions. However, I find it equally likely that the SRA bonus is being undervalued by your equation somehow. Not that your math is wrong, but that there is an advantage to having that bonus scrap that your math does not take into account.

1. Buy SRA
2. Find asteroids 3 beacons after that shop
3. You alrdy paid for ur SRA, pure profit onwards

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by pi73r:

Despite the fact that the math seems to say that the SRA is never worth it...I consistently find that buying the SRA makes that entire run more successful. I can afford more repairs and I end the game with higher levels of upgrades and a better score. It could simply be a psychological effect on me, where I attribute success in a run to a SRA when it might have been other events or decisions. However, I find it equally likely that the SRA bonus is being undervalued by your equation somehow. Not that your math is wrong, but that there is an advantage to having that bonus scrap that your math does not take into account.

1. Buy SRA
2. Find asteroids 3 beacons after that shop
3. You alrdy paid for ur SRA, pure profit onwards

Wait, you figured out a way to consistently make a certain random event happen? Wow, I'd love to hear how you managed that in great detail.

[Wasted]

love how the noobs say its not worth it... stop giving bad advice imo

[pi73r]

I'm just saying what could happen. Seeing that 500 scrap argument (while forgetting about fairly common asteroids event) 24/7 hurts my brain. It's rougelike after all

[Wasted]

Originally posted by Azazel:

Originally posted by slappy_d0:

You have repeatedly proven that you don't know what you're doing. Stop giving bad advice and go re-think your supposed strategy.

Apparently I made someone mad. Damn this community is terrible.

you're bad.. its not the community

[Bravo]

It could potentially be more than '500' scrap to recover the cost of the scrap recovery arm given that it simply truncates the number to determine bonus scrap (except the scenario where the pre-bonus scrap is less than 10). So for instance 5 events that would have yielded 19 scrap (total pre-bonus = 95) would yield only 5 scrap (post-bonus 100) (i.e. a bonus of just over 5% rather than the predicted 10%). You could end up needing significantly more scrap.

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by Django:

love how the noobs say its not worth it... stop giving bad advice imo

Thank you for parroting someone else's post without contributing anything useful.

Originally posted by pi73r:

I'm just saying what could happen. Seeing that 500 scrap argument (while forgetting about fairly common asteroids event) 24/7 hurts my brain. It's rougelike after all

It could, but it's not a good idea to plan on it. Besides even without the scrap recovery arm you still have a chance to get some scrap from the event. The scrap recovery arm just increases the amount and gurantees you a positive result. So it doesn't necessarily pay for itself immediately after that event.

Originally posted by Django:

Originally posted by Azazel:

Apparently I made someone mad. Damn this community is terrible.

you're bad.. its not the community

Of the two of us, which of us has made a trollthread? Wasn't me.

[Wasted]

I'm guessing your're pretty young based on the way you carry yourself.. not going to waste more time with you. You've shown you don't really know what you are talking about in nearly every response I've read from you. I l'll leave it at that... I wouldn't want someone getting offended and reporting me again.

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by Django:

I'm guessing your're pretty young based on the way you carry yourself..

Pot, kettle, black. I'm probably older than you and possibly older than most of the posters here.

Originally posted by Django:

not going to waste more time with you. You've shown you don't really know what you are talking about in nearly every response I've read from you. I l'll leave it at that...

And yet your responses to me rarely tend to be more than "your wrong" without any explanation as to why I'm wrong. Why even bother responding to me if you don't want to have a discussion?

Originally posted by Django:

I wouldn't want someone getting offended and reporting me again.

Did you ever think maybe you got reported for trolling?

[Tealtyr]

Wish Twinge would post on here, but I can see why he hasn't with what this has dissolved into: Everyone mindlessly yelling at each other their opinions.

[Mazey]

Originally posted by Azazel:

Did you ever think maybe you got reported for trolling?

Ah yes, the good ol' "someone's disagreeing with me in a way I don't like, therefore they MUST be trolling" argument...

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by Mazey:

Originally posted by Azazel:

Did you ever think maybe you got reported for trolling?

Ah yes, the good ol' "someone's disagreeing with me in a way I don't like, therefore they MUST be trolling" argument...

http://steamcommunity.com/app/212680/discussions/0/43099721367925749/
Looks like a trolling thread to me. Apparently a moderator agreed.