[DRAMA INSIDE] bloober team, you delivered an awesome game, but

[nomatter]

Let's be honest. You nailed everything regarding atmosphere and you listened to fans about James' appearance. You delivered an amazing game with a way better combat system while preserving the surreal feeling the OG had. Nobody expected that you could actually do this but everyone is more than happy that you delivered.

There's TONS of noise in the forums now because of obviously astroturfed negative feedback from paid actors and "joker" fishing accounts. Please take some of your time to moderate this sh*thole.

Nonetheless you shouldn't ignore all of the negative feedback. Characters like Angela indeed look kinda... hamster like and even though you listened to feedback and changed it a bit, it's still kinda... funny. Don't give more ammunition to the negative troll army but just make her little bit more realistic with less buccal fat.

Furthermore I'm getting the feeling that the complains about maria's outfit might be kinda... gay? You literally made the character so it shows MORE cleavage while her stomache isn't exposed anymore. Maybe it's a european thing that more cleavage is sexier and americans tend to be more bi sexual and prefer belly buttons?

[Kain]

引用自 nomatter：

引用自 Kain：

I don't doubt that some decisions were made due to DEI influence, but in her case I think it's just a really ugly model(in game), like the Ugly Sonic.

Specially since her SH og model was pretty average too.

I tried to find some female models from bloober's games before this one but could only find paintings of women in those games. I don't know if they just don't know how to make good looking models or it's some "hidden agenda".

How I see things. I hate DEI practices by HOW they go around doing their business, I even like their ideals of they weren't so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by how they implement them.

So I always look at it in two ways, is it forced and destroyed a good IP as was the case with the Arkham series and Batman for example, if yes, then I go full salty grognard; If it's no, then I don't even care about their influence.

[Jellydrake]

I was honestly very concerned about Bloober team handling this after the mental illness garbage fire that was The Medium. I am glad they listened to feedback from the FANS and consulted some experts about how to properly portray mental illness.

Seriously. The last act of The Medium was a YIKES from me, dog.


A child grapist was redeemed by one of his victims because it wasn't his fault, he was possessed by a demon.

Main character is trying to rescue her mentally ill sister, who wants to unalive the heroine so that she won't be possessed by a demon... the solution? The heroine must unalive herself instead! How ground breaking.

[nomatter]

引用自 Kain：

引用自 nomatter：

I tried to find some female models from bloober's games before this one but could only find paintings of women in those games. I don't know if they just don't know how to make good looking models or it's some "hidden agenda".

How I see things. I hate DEI practices by HOW they go around doing their business, I even like their ideals of they weren't so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by how they implement them.

So I always look at it in two ways, is it forced and destroyed a good IP as was the case with the Arkham series and Batman for example, if yes, then I go full salty grognard; If it's no, then I don't even care about their influence.

Uhm thanks for your comment but what does this have to do with anything that I said?

[Kain]

引用自 Jellydrake：

I was honestly very concerned about Bloober team handling this after the mental illness garbage fire that was The Medium. I am glad they listened to feedback from the FANS and consulted some experts about how to properly portray mental illness.

Seriously. The last act of The Medium was a YIKES from me, dog.


A child grapist was redeemed by one of his victims because it wasn't his fault, he was possessed by a demon.

Main character is trying to rescue her mentally ill sister, who wants to unalive the heroine so that she won't be possessed by a demon... the solution? The heroine must unalive herself instead! How ground breaking.

Yeah, the mediocrity was in full display on that one. Still had some fun with the more creepy moments.

[Kain]

引用自 nomatter：

引用自 Kain：

How I see things. I hate DEI practices by HOW they go around doing their business, I even like their ideals of they weren't so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by how they implement them.

So I always look at it in two ways, is it forced and destroyed a good IP as was the case with the Arkham series and Batman for example, if yes, then I go full salty grognard; If it's no, then I don't even care about their influence.

Uhm thanks for your comment but what does this have to do with anything that I said?

That whether the models being what they are is a hidden agenda or not doesn't bother me, because the models themselves for me are fine in general.

And same goes for anything in general. Instead of making enemies and fighting for causes I see stuff in a case by case scenario.

[Lunar Fox]

引用自 nomatter：

Let's be honest. You nailed everything regarding atmosphere and you listened to fans about James' appearance. You delivered an amazing game with a way better combat system while preserving the surreal feeling the OG had. Nobody expected that you could actually do this but everyone is more than happy that you delivered.

There's TONS of noise in the forums now because of obviously astroturfed negative feedback from paid actors and "joker" fishing accounts. Please take some of your time to moderate this sh*thole.

Nonetheless you shouldn't ignore all of the negative feedback. Characters like Angela indeed look kinda... hamster like and even though you listened to feedback and changed it a bit, it's still kinda... funny. Don't give more ammunition to the negative troll army but just make her little bit more realistic with less buccal fat.

Furthermore I'm getting the feeling that the complains about maria's outfit might be kinda... gay? You literally made the character so it shows MORE cleavage while her stomache isn't exposed anymore. Maybe it's a european thing that more cleavage is sexier and americans tend to be more bi sexual and prefer belly buttons?

These trolls also don't realize the FMV and pixels hid alot. Seeing maria look like a 2 dollar hooker would actually cheapen the experience, IMO. How she is now is perfect because it STILL conveys his suppressed desires but she doesn't look like a brothel worker either.

[EQOAnostalgia]

引用自 nomatter：

Let's be honest. You nailed everything regarding atmosphere and you listened to fans about James' appearance. You delivered an amazing game with a way better combat system while preserving the surreal feeling the OG had. Nobody expected that you could actually do this but everyone is more than happy that you delivered.

There's TONS of noise in the forums now because of obviously astroturfed negative feedback from paid actors and "joker" fishing accounts. Please take some of your time to moderate this sh*thole.

Nonetheless you shouldn't ignore all of the negative feedback. Characters like Angela indeed look kinda... hamster like and even though you listened to feedback and changed it a bit, it's still kinda... funny. Don't give more ammunition to the negative troll army but just make her little bit more realistic with less buccal fat.

Furthermore I'm getting the feeling that the complains about maria's outfit might be kinda... gay? You literally made the character so it shows MORE cleavage while her stomache isn't exposed anymore. Maybe it's a european thing that more cleavage is sexier and americans tend to be more bi sexual and prefer belly buttons?

"REEEEE please censor the people i don't agree with!"

Calling for a safe space everwhere you go eh? Toughen up kid.

[SKEME_DBT]

引用自 i know kung fu：

引用自 nomatter：

Don't give more ammunition to the negative troll army but just make her little bit more realistic with less buccal fat.

You want the face mocap actress to slim down?

The actress looks fine! Its the character model who needs to start some kind of diet or facial exercises lol Even better, just get a whole new face.

[nomatter]

引用自 Maranatha：

引用自 nomatter：

Let's be honest. You nailed everything regarding atmosphere and you listened to fans about James' appearance. You delivered an amazing game with a way better combat system while preserving the surreal feeling the OG had. Nobody expected that you could actually do this but everyone is more than happy that you delivered.

There's TONS of noise in the forums now because of obviously astroturfed negative feedback from paid actors and "joker" fishing accounts. Please take some of your time to moderate this sh*thole.

Nonetheless you shouldn't ignore all of the negative feedback. Characters like Angela indeed look kinda... hamster like and even though you listened to feedback and changed it a bit, it's still kinda... funny. Don't give more ammunition to the negative troll army but just make her little bit more realistic with less buccal fat.

Furthermore I'm getting the feeling that the complains about maria's outfit might be kinda... gay? You literally made the character so it shows MORE cleavage while her stomache isn't exposed anymore. Maybe it's a european thing that more cleavage is sexier and americans tend to be more bi sexual and prefer belly buttons?

"REEEEE please censor the people i don't agree with!"

Calling for a safe space everwhere you go eh? Toughen up kid. :mhwhappy:

Nah, look at my profile history and you'll see I'm as anti woke as you can be. But this game's forum is full of noise that is obviously just for spamming. You are obviously just a little child and I hope your parents take your internet access away.

[Kain]

引用自 nomatter：

引用自 Maranatha：

"REEEEE please censor the people i don't agree with!"

Calling for a safe space everwhere you go eh? Toughen up kid. :mhwhappy:

Nah, look at my profile history and you'll see I'm as anti woke as you can be. But this game's forum is full of noise that is obviously just for spamming. You are obviously just a little child and I hope your parents take your internet access away.

I'm the same, in general either dislike or am unbothered by woke crap. The problem is that some people just lost touch with reality and turned into the very same thing they were fighting and became as harmful to gaming as any woke ahole.

They should take a break from Youtube, Twitter and other platforms with grifters telling them what to think.

[GoldRabbit]

引用自 Jellydrake：

I was honestly very concerned about Bloober team handling this after the mental illness garbage fire that was The Medium. I am glad they listened to feedback from the FANS and consulted some experts about how to properly portray mental illness.

Seriously. The last act of The Medium was a YIKES from me, dog.


A child grapist was redeemed by one of his victims because it wasn't his fault, he was possessed by a demon.

Main character is trying to rescue her mentally ill sister, who wants to unalive the heroine so that she won't be possessed by a demon... the solution? The heroine must unalive herself instead! How ground breaking.

Sorry, but that is NOT exactly, what happened.


Her dad witnessed the predators TRAUMA (when he visited his "inner world") and made him braindead by killing his innocent childhood part because he actually DIDN'T care about his childhood traumas and just wanted to punish him for what he did to his daughter. And the protagonist simply send what was left of him to the afterlife so he would be gone for good. She didn't "forgive" him and neither did his former friend and student (her dad) or the victim (her sister).
Now to the second part: Her sister wanted the protagonist to kill HER and NOT to kill herself. Her pain/trauma separated from her in the past and became "the maw" after saving them from the fire that the government agent started who was after their dads powers. It started acting independedly, posessed a nurse who killed the predator (which is why the protagonist finds the disgusting "remains" of his ghost/soul) and rampaged further; posessing more and more people in its path. To it the protagonist was the only one (as a medium AND the sister of its former "host" and origin) who could become a permanent "vessel" that couldn't be "worn out". So she probably thought that her death would make it impossible for it to find a host like her or something like that. Suicide was her idea because she didn't want to kill her sister who she JUST reunited with. The ending is open ended so it's not even confirmed who died. Now to your critisism: One CAN make the point that its tone deaf (towards real victims) and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writing to pull a "the monster can only be stopped if the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SA victim of all people gets killed". And in this context does the "you can't always save everyone, butterfly" line hurt all the more. So.. I get that. I GET it. But the predator has NOT been forgiven and the only "demon" who made him do it were his own urges that manifested earlier in life. NO ONE is trying to redeem him. There is a difference between "explanation" (in ths case how he became this way) and a "justification". And in this case they practiced the former in their writing rather than the latter. If you want to accuse a game of endorsing a predator, pick "The Suicide of Rachel Foster". Yeah, might be a spoiler if you haven't played it yet.. but you might actually be thankful for the "warning" once you witness it yourself. Sorry.. I rarely write in the forums but as someone who played the medium more than once I couln't help but correct you.

[EQOAnostalgia]

Anything woke = anti white, anti male, and anti straight. All 3 things describe myself and a vast amount of gamers. If you buy this drivel you support your cultural adversaries who hate your guts and want you gone. PERIOD.

[Jellydrake]

引用自 GoldRabbit：

引用自 Jellydrake：

I was honestly very concerned about Bloober team handling this after the mental illness garbage fire that was The Medium. I am glad they listened to feedback from the FANS and consulted some experts about how to properly portray mental illness.

Seriously. The last act of The Medium was a YIKES from me, dog.


A child grapist was redeemed by one of his victims because it wasn't his fault, he was possessed by a demon.

Main character is trying to rescue her mentally ill sister, who wants to unalive the heroine so that she won't be possessed by a demon... the solution? The heroine must unalive herself instead! How ground breaking.

Sorry, but that is NOT exactly, what happened.


Her dad witnessed the predators TRAUMA (when he visited his "inner world") and made him braindead by killing his innocent childhood part because he actually DIDN'T care about his childhood traumas and just wanted to punish him for what he did to his daughter. And the protagonist simply send what was left of him to the afterlife so he would be gone for good. She didn't "forgive" him and neither did his former friend and student (her dad) or the victim (her sister).
Now to the second part: Her sister wanted the protagonist to kill HER and NOT to kill herself. Her pain/trauma separated from her in the past and became "the maw" after saving them from the fire that the government agent started who was after their dads powers. It started acting independedly, posessed a nurse who killed the predator (which is why the protagonist finds the disgusting "remains" of his ghost/soul) and rampaged further; posessing more and more people in its path. To it the protagonist was the only one (as a medium AND the sister of its former "host" and origin) who could become a permanent "vessel" that couldn't be "worn out". So she probably thought that her death would make it impossible for it to find a host like her or something like that. Suicide was her idea because she didn't want to kill her sister who she JUST reunited with. The ending is open ended so it's not even confirmed who died. Now to your critisism: One CAN make the point that its tone deaf (towards real victims) and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writing to pull a "the monster can only be stopped if the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SA victim of all people gets killed". And in this context does the "you can't always save everyone, butterfly" line hurt all the more. So.. I get that. I GET it. But the predator has NOT been forgiven and the only "demon" who made him do it were his own urges that manifested earlier in life. NO ONE is trying to redeem him. There is a difference between "explanation" (in ths case how he became this way) and a "justification". And in this case they practiced the former in their writing rather than the latter. If you want to accuse a game of endorsing a predator, pick "The Suicide of Rachel Foster". Yeah, might be a spoiler if you haven't played it yet.. but you might actually be thankful for the "warning" once you witness it yourself. Sorry.. I rarely write in the forums but as someone who played the medium more than once I couln't help but correct you. [/quote]

All good friend. I just remembered some details wrong. I must have missed the subtext where the guy already had deviant urges. So that's on me but I REALLY hated the ending. It felt lazy and hackneyed and an incredibly horrible message that there is no healing, there is only an end to pain. Even if The Medium kills herself instead of her very traumatized sister, she now has to deal with the guilt of surviving that on top of surviving everything else. It was a cop out and gross.

So I understandably had an issue with them taking over Silent Hill.

[GoldRabbit]

引用自 Jellydrake：

引用自 GoldRabbit：

Sorry, but that is NOT exactly, what happened.


Her dad witnessed the predators TRAUMA (when he visited his "inner world") and made him braindead by killing his innocent childhood part because he actually DIDN'T care about his childhood traumas and just wanted to punish him for what he did to his daughter. And the protagonist simply send what was left of him to the afterlife so he would be gone for good. She didn't "forgive" him and neither did his former friend and student (her dad) or the victim (her sister).
Now to the second part: Her sister wanted the protagonist to kill HER and NOT to kill herself. Her pain/trauma separated from her in the past and became "the maw" after saving them from the fire that the government agent started who was after their dads powers. It started acting independedly, posessed a nurse who killed the predator (which is why the protagonist finds the disgusting "remains" of his ghost/soul) and rampaged further; posessing more and more people in its path. To it the protagonist was the only one (as a medium AND the sister of its former "host" and origin) who could become a permanent "vessel" that couldn't be "worn out". So she probably thought that her death would make it impossible for it to find a host like her or something like that. Suicide was her idea because she didn't want to kill her sister who she JUST reunited with. The ending is open ended so it's not even confirmed who died. Now to your critisism: One CAN make the point that its tone deaf (towards real victims) and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writing to pull a "the monster can only be stopped if the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SA victim of all people gets killed". And in this context does the "you can't always save everyone, butterfly" line hurt all the more. So.. I get that. I GET it. But the predator has NOT been forgiven and the only "demon" who made him do it were his own urges that manifested earlier in life. NO ONE is trying to redeem him. There is a difference between "explanation" (in ths case how he became this way) and a "justification". And in this case they practiced the former in their writing rather than the latter. If you want to accuse a game of endorsing a predator, pick "The Suicide of Rachel Foster". Yeah, might be a spoiler if you haven't played it yet.. but you might actually be thankful for the "warning" once you witness it yourself. Sorry.. I rarely write in the forums but as someone who played the medium more than once I couln't help but correct you. [/quote]

All good friend. I just remembered some details wrong. I must have missed the subtext where the guy already had deviant urges. So that's on me but I REALLY hated the ending. It felt lazy and hackneyed and an incredibly horrible message that there is no healing, there is only an end to pain. Even if The Medium kills herself instead of her very traumatized sister, she now has to deal with the guilt of surviving that on top of surviving everything else. It was a cop out and gross.

So I understandably had an issue with them taking over Silent Hill.

See! :D This is where we see eye to eye^^ Honestly I would've really liked an ending where the protagonist combines her powers with those of her sister somehow so that they can "exorcise" (for a lack of a better term) the maw. This could've been some beautiful symbolism (as simplified and maybe "cliché" as it may be in this example) for her finally being (and being able to) on her sisters side and supporting a healing process inside her or something of that nature. Sorry mate, I'm not good with words most of the time.. But I hope you know what I was going for.^^ Sidenote: Just out of spite I'd actually love to make a game with her sister as the protagonist and her both fighting her traumas and inner demons in general as well as maybe other beings. Simply for the fact that I can't accept either of the sisters deaths.. They've just been through too much bullsh*t..

[Jellydrake]

引用自 GoldRabbit：

引用自 Jellydrake：

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All good friend. I just remembered some details wrong. I must have missed the subtext where the guy already had deviant urges. So that's on me but I REALLY hated the ending. It felt lazy and hackneyed and an incredibly horrible message that there is no healing, there is only an end to pain. Even if The Medium kills herself instead of her very traumatized sister, she now has to deal with the guilt of surviving that on top of surviving everything else. It was a cop out and gross.

So I understandably had an issue with them taking over Silent Hill.

See! :D This is where we see eye to eye^^ Honestly I would've really liked an ending where the protagonist combines her powers with those of her sister somehow so that they can "exorcise" (for a lack of a better term) the maw. This could've been some beautiful symbolism (as simplified and maybe "cliché" as it may be in this example) for her finally being (and being able to) on her sisters side and supporting a healing process inside her or something of that nature. Sorry mate, I'm not good with words most of the time.. But I hope you know what I was going for.^^ Sidenote: Just out of spite I'd actually love to make a game with her sister as the protagonist and her both fighting her traumas and inner demons in general as well as maybe other beings. Simply for the fact that I can't accept either of the sisters deaths.. They've just been through too much bullsh*t.. [/quote]
Exactly. It was a terrible message. You can't get better. You can only end the cycle by ending yourself.

Bloober REALLY needed some experts in the room telling them, "Hey... don't do that."

So to me, me hearing that they hired an agency to help them steer those difficult topics, has only made me trust them more for their next project that is their own IP.