I really disliked the new James Sunderland

[H.E.C.U soldier]

It's true that the graphics and atmosphere are superior. I really like this remake. However, there is one compartment that the game suffers in. Character development. And it has to do with voice acting direction as well. While I admired the performance of the characters like Maria, Mary and Laura, I think the rest of the characters are bad. Mainly male ones this time. Why? They lack emotions. They are very depressed and lifeless. Not to mention my favourite dialogues from the original game were all cut, which is sad because most of them are the same, but the vital ones which question James's actions are completely cut, like his speech after confrontation with Eddie in refrigerator room and Angela in fire room or his argument with Mary's doctor, all cut!

Original voice actors showed a lot of emotions. James Sunderland, the main character suffers most from it, the way he is written in this game is very odd. Examples, he punches Eddie in the face, he is calm all the time, and when Angela asks if he's keeping knife for himself he says nothing at all, whereas in original he said "me? No, I..... I would never kill myself." I liked that a lot, because original James was that confused and lost guy, but still human. His deeds justified his behaviour in the original completely. That James' Magic was lost completely in the remake, which is very unfortunate. The actor is so boring, and he makes the character extremely boring too. This is suprising, that the main character is the most boring and poorly written one. But other that that it's a very good remake. It's just that the protagonist is completely different.


I suppose it's a matter of seeing difference of characters through the tone of voice and emotion put into it which I didn't see in the remake, I saw and heard a noticable difference and obviously I can't demonstrate it with lines of text but I can make a comparison to better picture it for your imagination, what I mean:

Original James character: "I am really motivated to see Mary again, it's very important to me. I would do anything to be with her again, I'm confused though, and shocked because of what happened to me, I have to make it right"
Which he even says in the story. And he has enough charisma to prove that he does actually care.

Remake James character: "I am a very depressed, lazy, boring guy, who is on anti-depressants and has dulled emotions because of it and me being a sad, pathetic person. I will talk very quiet and in the same tone all the time. Truth be told I just don't care, I will go through the story because I have to."
I could not share the story with this James because of it. He was sapped of all energy, spirit and emotions, tired all the time. I'm not blaming the actor himself, it may seem like I'm blaming his work, no, I meant the narrative direction of this character.

[H.E.C.U soldier]

Origineel geplaatst door Bankai9212:

The humor came with the actors line delivery in the same vein as resident evil 1 doesn't make the humor intentional since again they weren't given direction and rarely recorded with other actors in the same room. Silent Hill 3 is different from this along with again context and direction of the scene.

It's known silent hill 2 is full of cheesy lines doesn't mean it's intended to be humorous. The tone of the entire game is grey if anything they stick out more in terms of tone.

I don't know man, I clearly noticed a difference in the characters performances like I mentioned in the topic. Laura, and Maria nailed it in the remake, I consider them even better than the original, especially Maria, so I'm not ignorant, I can see and appreciate good characters in the remake too. You say like it's impossible in the modern day to make a multidimensional character which is false. It depends on the game's team how they make a character, you call it cheesy, I say it is giving more life to a character. I have the biggest gripes with James and Angela, they were much more "alive" in the original.

[Bankai9212]

Obviously they aren't going to be one for one so some scenes aren't as impactful like the original. Can't replicate the same thing twice. I disagree Maria is okay for the most part unfortunately the scene at the other world hospital and prison scene don't hit the same way in terms of delivery can't blame the VA for that as they're different actors.

You're trying to make James in OG be multidimensional when he isn't to repeat its do to line delivery. You mention the bowling alley reading the line is that intended to be funny? No its suppose to be serous but you take it as James being funny when it isn't.

poor line delivery isn't giving a character more life its you projecting what you want the character to be. James is the same in both games. Only issue with Angela is the stoic line delivery but I can now believe she's 19 compared to the original.

[edwvee]

You're wrong. Laura is awfull. She was a little puppy you wanted to pet (don't think something perverted), now she is a little monster much scarrier then those you fight.

[H.E.C.U soldier]

No matter what I say, everyone disagrees with me about everything in this thread. But that's fine, I suppose, at least there's more space for a debate. Just please don't say this thread is pointless, it isn't, I don't make stupid topics just for the sake of making them, I consider that a waste of time, I was serious with this thread.

[WakkaBlitzBallChamp]

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

No matter what I say, everyone disagrees with me about everything in this thread. But that's fine, I suppose, at least there's more space for a debate. Just please don't say this thread is pointless, it isn't, I don't make stupid topics just for the sake of making them, I consider that a waste of time, I was serious with this thread.

Dude, of course it is fine. No need for an approval from others to have your opinion. You shared your opinion: James is boring to you in the remake. Others who played the game disagree with you.
By the way, Luke Roberts, the guy who portrayed James Sunderland in the remake, won an award for best performance in the Horror Game Awards 2024.

[ZYBA_MOCKBA]

Remake James character: "I am a very depressed, lazy, boring guy, who is on anti-depressants and has dulled emotions because of it and me being a sad, pathetic person. I will talk very quiet and in the same tone all the time. Truth be told I just don't care, I will go through the story because I have to."

Original James character: "I am really motivated to see Mary again, it's very important to me. I would do anything to be with her again, I'm confused though, and shocked because of what happened to me, I have to make it right"
Which he even says in the story. And he has enough charisma to prove that he does actually care.

Fact that James decided to go through this hell to find Mary isn't enough for you to prove that he cares? Mid opinion, mid takes. OG characters don't feel slightly as human as in remake. Remake has surpassed the original in all ways. Perhaps Mary's letter was slightly different but that's it

[H.E.C.U soldier]

Some dialogues and scenes were cut as well.

[Bankai9212]

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

Some dialogues and scenes were cut as well.

changed not cut.

[Bankai9212]

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

No matter what I say, everyone disagrees with me about everything in this thread. But that's fine, I suppose, at least there's more space for a debate. Just please don't say this thread is pointless, it isn't, I don't make stupid topics just for the sake of making them, I consider that a waste of time, I was serious with this thread.

There is no debate its your personal preference what part of that can't you get.

[H.E.C.U soldier]

Origineel geplaatst door Bankai9212:

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

No matter what I say, everyone disagrees with me about everything in this thread. But that's fine, I suppose, at least there's more space for a debate. Just please don't say this thread is pointless, it isn't, I don't make stupid topics just for the sake of making them, I consider that a waste of time, I was serious with this thread.

There is no debate its your personal preference what part of that can't you get.

So I should not discuss a topic with others because I have a personal preference? that is so, so dumb. I can continue an argument with you any time. I just see no point. I already said I'm glad that some people disagree because that gives more space for a debate, and you replied directly to that sentence with your last post, so, which part did YOU not get?

[H.E.C.U soldier]

Origineel geplaatst door Bankai9212:

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

Some dialogues and scenes were cut as well.

changed not cut.

James talking to doctor about Mary's state was cut. Also bowling building was replaced with theatre, so it was practically cut as well.

[Bankai9212]

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

Origineel geplaatst door Bankai9212:

There is no debate its your personal preference what part of that can't you get.

So I should not discuss a topic with others because I have a personal preference? that is so, so dumb. I can continue an argument with you any time. I just see no point. I already said I'm glad that some people disagree because that gives more space for a debate, and you replied directly to that sentence with your last post, so, which part did YOU not get?

Your topic is that you find James boring for x reasons. What kind of debate do you expect what you told me is literally all you mention.

I don't argue over a preference I think your reasons are just odd and projecting something onto James that isn't there in the original. More space to debate what? You already said why and I point out why that's faulty logic.

[Bankai9212]

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

Origineel geplaatst door Bankai9212:

changed not cut.

James talking to doctor about Mary's state was cut. Also bowling building was replaced with theatre, so it was practically cut as well.

To repeat its miss-able in the original. I also think its in the game could have sworn I heard it in the last section.

The bowling building is still there but the scene like the original club was moved. Same effect of the original is there odd choice but not the end of the world. Anyway last post. If anyone wants to read why OP thinks what he does refer to lines #40-46 since there's nothing else to cover.

[Alabeo]

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

No matter what I say, everyone disagrees with me about everything in this thread. But that's fine, I suppose, at least there's more space for a debate. Just please don't say this thread is pointless, it isn't, I don't make stupid topics just for the sake of making them, I consider that a waste of time, I was serious with this thread.

This post proves that all you care about is approval of everyone else and that sadly means that you have some personal problems that you need help with, urgently. I don't mean to be disparaging here, but this post clearly shows your intent, a grab for attention.

This thread /IS/ pointless, always was, always will be, because its meant as you own sactuary of approval, which you will not get from anyone here.

[Bankai9212]

Origineel geplaatst door Alabeo:

Origineel geplaatst door HECUsoldier:

Who do you think you are scumbag, to make such personal judgements against me? That was too much for me to be neutral, maybe you should seek medical attention for your head you bastard. I will smoke you like a cuban cigar. No one approved me in this thread, you are so wrong, it's quite the contrary, everyone is against me here, yet I'm smart enough to reppel all those nasty attacks and still take part in discussion instead of running away with tail between my legs, but you just tipped the scale out of bounds. I have every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ right to make my opinion against the game on an open forum. What did YOU people expect from me, that I will praise every aspect of this game because it gets nominations and high scores? But if it was otherwise you would probably agree, being a mindless herd without your own opinion. Don't make me laugh with your stupidity. You pissed me off.

Oof. New copypasta dropped.

Yeah clearly wants to debate.