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I think, the way Silent Hill manifests and projects from the person's subconscious mind, that everyone's "otherworld" will appear very different. Kind of like how Angela views SH as always on fire; and how we can extrapolate that Laura probably just sees the foggy town with no monsters at all, and Eddie probably sees a frozen, eternally frozen town and constantly has people following him, tormenting him. Each person will perceive the Otherworld depending on their own conscious and subconscious mind.
I think the evidence in the game supports this idea, too; though I'm not sure if there is anything solidly mentioned by devs or in the Book of Lost Memories.
Also I am glad someone is actually DISCUSSING the game around here, holy crap. Thanks for an actual fun post to chew on for a bit!
So what happens if there's a building in someone else's mind but not others? Do other people just see them standing on air if they're on the second floor?
And yeah, I was tired of all the bait and troll posts, so I'm trying to have a discussion about the lore of the game.
Except it's not the same. We see this in that the layout of certain rooms and locations is visibly different.
So if a new building went up in the real world, it would be built in real-time in the Other World? Would be kinda funny to see planks and beams floating up in the air and hammering themselves into place.
That is a good question. I think the town remains *mostly* the same, but we do see, as I mentioned above, that the layout of rooms and buildings does change. Not only that, but consider, for example, James and the prison. He goes impossibly deep. The labyrinth becomes less of an actual, existing building--and more of something entirely different. I think the labyrinth represents Jame's unconscious mind as he struggles to remember certain things and deal with certain emotions--his own mind trying to block him the entire way, fighting against it, not wanting to be dealt with and laid bare.
So I think both can be true. The Otherworld, at it's base, probably is based on Silent Hill overall, but there can be lapses--or entire parts and architecture, that are completely fabricated. I feel like what we see in the town with James (and in other games too), supports this idea quite well.
EDIT: Also, I completely discount anything from the films and later games, as later SH games after 4, and the movie, at best bend lore, and usually completely ignore it entirely (ie Pyramid Head showing up in both the movie and Homecoming)
they could be though. I do, at the end of the day, think that Silent Hill's otherworld utilizes the town's architecture as a baseline, and the psyche that the town's power is able to read and project, then twists and warps the otherworld from there.
Oh ya the room layouts do change a bit, they get twisted and contorted but they're mostly the same, I think the contortions of the rooms and such signal James mental state and his descent into madness and guilt.
If you want my take, I think the Otherworld is a shifting but very real place outside our realm. Although the laws that govern it are everchanging and more ethereal, you could forever be trapped inside it.
Take this with a grain of salt: but I think that's what happened to Lisa Garland, actually. She's forever trapped in the Otherworld. I read somewhere that Masahiro Ito said she's forever trapped there. The source is literally the fanbase so that's why.. you know, take it with a grain of salt.
If that's the case, poor Lisa.
I like this answer, honestly. It boils down to, well. A bit of both. And I think we see that exemplified in the game, so I can absolutely agree here. I like it, personally.
True, the Otherworld was, -originally- a manifestation of the emotions that Alessa went through (now I haven't actually played SH1 in over 2 decades; I started with 2, so my memory will be a little foggy [ha ha] on that game's lore); but I do wonder how much of her influence still remains in the town. Well, aside from it's power to call people to it, and project their psyche before them. How much of that really is Alessa's...and how much of it is the burial grounds influence (since I think the burial grounds are a significant part of WHY Alessa's pain and suffering were able to influence and manifest the Otherworld).
Either way, I absolutely love stuff like this, it gets super deep into the lore and it's fun to see other people's interpretations of this stuff.
If what you said about Lisa Garland is true, that's hearbreaking. But didn't she turn into a monster in SH1? I thought she did and Harry had to kill her? It's been so long since I played, I may well be misremembering.
And then (this is the part you should be iffy since I don't have Masahiro Ito's comment to back this up) I've read somewhere that the in-game model of a nurse being mistreated by Valtiel somewhere in the Otherworld of Silent Hill 3 is meant to represent Lisa Garland, forever doomed to be mistreated.
I'm really sorry I can't provide a link for this. But it's interesting, isn't it? And also really heartbreaking. She literally did nothing wrong besides needing some White Claudia drug to get through the mental torture that was taking care of a burned victim that would refuse to die.
Jesus, that is dark; and a very sad fate for her for sure. That would also explain the nurses being present at all in SH3, since in SH2, they are very specific to James. It backs up their presence in the game, which otherwise really shouldn't be possible. I think this could absolutely be plausible then. And who knows, maybe there is a definitive yes on that in Masahiro's statement that we just don't know about.
This is actually factually incorrect. Silent Hill, within the Silent Hill universe is a very real place, with very real powers within it. Silent hill happened, there is literally no disputing that. Devs, and the lorebook, the Book of Lost memories backs this up. We even know what a lot of the symbolism in SH2 means. This is not occurring all in James head.
I highly recommend you look up Max Derrat, who actually breaks down and deep dives into the SH lore, and shows specifically where a lot of the knowledge comes from. There are things that are theories; the fact this physically happened to James is not one of them. That is one of the facts we know.
This is the one bad thing with SH2 being the first one remade; without context, newcommers to the series have no real reason to believe Silent Hill isn't just some sort of purgatory for James.