remake demakes and postmodernism

[GladiatorB200]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cLvcfWvtxo

summed it up well its problems and Jacob geller's insanity

[Maximizer]

Thanks. Quite interesting angle. Postmodernism and subsequent poststructuralism are one of most destructive philosophical ideas ever created. And now we see the results, how they overtook western academias, for example.

[MorallyBankrupt]

You don't even own the game

[Scriptimus]

Originally posted by MorallyBankrupt:

You don't even own the game

Their fav rage bait tuber does though.. and they live bi-curiously through them. Aping their views, talking points, and the full opinions of whatever they say.

[phildor]

Apologies. I'd be happy to click on that link but I don't want my YouTube algorithm to be full of incels and chuds.

That said, if you'll forgive the irony, you should consider watching a Jacob Geller video. If you think he has nothing worthwhile to say about video games, you've probably never watched any of his videos.

[GladiatorB200]

i've watched his vids (Jacob's) before but its apparent that view he has both in his socials and that vid that's shown in the vid
one can watch both

[Noobie]

https://youtu.be/PG_4hwdCZpI?si=_g1dfBaM8YckNSxt
https://youtu.be/09VIRi9ofpU?si=o-FIFPnryKQ1Vnj9
https://youtu.be/Zbszau2UTmg?si=PfeA6EZPtnKTycaG
Watch these instead :3

[phildor]

Originally posted by GladiatorB200:

i've watched his vids (Jacob's) before but its apparent that view he has both in his socials and that vid that's shown in the vid
one can watch both

Okay, I gave it a view via incognito. Pretty boilerplate reactionary stuff, talking about "the meddling in the affairs of video games" as if claiming some ownership of the medium, and some authority on what ideologies are and aren't welcome.

On one hand, this forum is filled with people complaining that they can't figure out the puzzles and the game isn't littered with quest markers and "yellow paint." And, on the other, this guy posits that SH2R caters to an audience that aren't capable of critical thought.

I also don't agree with his position that a work of art only resonates with a given time period that it was created in, and can't be recaptured. If that was the case, why would we have museums and art galleries chronicling works of the past?

Times change, context changes, but something like the plot of Silent Hill 2 isn't specific to what was going on in 2001. Not to mention, I think anyone positing that SH2R serves as a replacement for the original game- whether that be a positive or a negative opinion- is misguided.

He then goes on to ascribe objectives and motivations to Jacob Geller and Hit Detection that don't really fall in line with the services given on their website. Negatively depicting them as "post-modernists."

He reductively concludes that post-modernism is the only reason you would bring in consultants for the remake of a 23-year-old game. This overlooks entirely practical reasons that closely align with the company's own list of provided services, like artistic fidelity, technical expertise and market adaptation.

His narrow view of what consultancy is or could ever be completely overlooks the fact that consultancy exists in virtually every industry for reasons that have literally nothing to do with concepts of "wokeness."

If SH2R was a deconstruction of the original game's themes and plot, this viewpoint might hold more substance. But it's not. It's not even really a reinterpretation. The core of the game, its themes, its deeper meaning, are all translated essentially intact.

Bloober clearly has a reverence for the original title. And they and Konami have correctly intuited that there is value in using current technologies to revitalize the title for audiences new and old.

It's simplistic and reductive to paint the remake as inherently postmodernist, and in that way inherently destructive. SH2R is a game loaded with complexity, ambiguity and heavy themes, in the same way the original is.

As far as pushing progressive, relativistic, or "woke" worldviews, I think anyone coming from an honest position would have a really hard time finding those viewpoints being pushed upon them by this game. Dude is just using extremely broad brushes to push negative opinions as if they are sweeping facts.

And of course, the characterization of Jacob Geller is extremely flawed. The video essays he makes are loaded with appreciation of art and creativity. This guy acts like Geller positions one worldview as the only correct one, at the expense and subversion of all others. (Which is ironic, given that he's the one falling back on an appeal to tradition above all else. Viewing analysis and reinterpretation as inherently destructive.) And, again, an honest viewing of the videos he makes wouldn't lead someone to that conclusion. From what I've seen, he's interested in expanding our understanding of art forms and inviting not just critical thinking, but an open-minded approach.

And then the notion that "beauty" or "tradition" must look exactly as it did decades ago neglects that art is inherently fluid. Suggesting that we have to hold the exact same values that they held 400 years ago ignores the analysis, circumstances and critical thinking that led those people, in that time, to hold those beliefs. Art's capacity to provoke thought, to be interpreted, and to resonate across time is its strength.

Finally, and bluntly, they didn't make the women ugly. And they definitely didn't do it to push an agenda. That is just the incessant whining of neck bearded misogynists that couldn't get a woman who looks like Maria or Angela, both as they are depicted by the current cast of actors, or the previous. Not with attitudes like the ones they bring to this discussion.

[Noobie]

Originally posted by phildor:

Originally posted by GladiatorB200:

i've watched his vids (Jacob's) before but its apparent that view he has both in his socials and that vid that's shown in the vid
one can watch both

Okay, I gave it a view via incognito. Pretty boilerplate reactionary stuff, talking about "the meddling in the affairs of video games" as if claiming some ownership of the medium, and some authority on what ideologies are and aren't welcome.

On one hand, this forum is filled with people complaining that they can't figure out the puzzles and the game isn't littered with quest markers and "yellow paint." And, on the other, this guy posits that SH2R caters to an audience that aren't capable of critical thought.

I also don't agree with his position that a work of art only resonates with a given time period that it was created in, and can't be recaptured. If that was the case, why would we have museums and art galleries chronicling works of the past?

Times change, context changes, but something like the plot of Silent Hill 2 isn't specific to what was going on in 2001. Not to mention, I think anyone positing that SH2R serves as a replacement for the original game- whether that be a positive or a negative opinion- is misguided.

He then goes on to ascribe objectives and motivations to Jacob Geller and Hit Detection that don't really fall in line with the services given on their website. Negatively depicting them as "post-modernists."

He reductively concludes that post-modernism is the only reason you would bring in consultants for the remake of a 23-year-old game. This overlooks entirely practical reasons that closely align with the company's mission statement, like artistic fidelity, technical expertise and market adaptation.

His narrow view of what consultancy is or could ever be completely overlooks the fact that consultancy exists in virtually every industry for reasons that have literally nothing to do with concepts of "wokeness."

If SH2R was a deconstruction of the original game's themes and plot, this viewpoint might hold more substance. But it's not. It's not even really a reinterpretation. The core of the game, it's themes, it's deeper meaning, are all translated essentially intact.

Bloober clearly has a reverence for the original title. And they and Konami have correctly intuited that there is value in using current technologies to revitalize the title for audiences new and old.

It's simplistic and reductive to paint the remake as inherently postmodernist, and in that way inherently destructive. SH2R is a game loaded with complexity, ambiguity and heavy themes, in the same way the original is.

As far as pushing progressive, relativistic, or "woke" worldviews, I think anyone coming from an honest position would have a really hard time finding those viewpoints being pushed upon them by this game. Dude is just using extremely broad brushes to push negative opinions as if they are sweeping facts.

And of course, the characterization of Jacob Geller is extremely flawed. The video essays he makes are loaded with appreciation of art and creativity. This guy acts like Geller positions one worldview as the only correct one, at the expense and subversion of all others. (Which is ironic, given that he's the one falling back on an appeal to tradition above all else. Viewing analysis and reinterpretation as inherently destructive.) And, again, an honest viewing of the videos he makes wouldn't lead someone to that conclusion. From what I've seen, he's interested in expanding our understanding of art forms and inviting not just critical thinking, but an open-minded approach.

Finally, the notion that "beauty" or "tradition" must look exactly as it did decades ago neglects that art is inherently fluid. Suggesting that we have to hold the exact same values that they held 400 years ago ignores the analysis, circumstances and critical thinking that led those people, in that time, to hold those beliefs. Art's capacity to provoke thought, to be interpreted, and to resonate across time is its strength.

Finally, and bluntly, they didn't make the women ugly. And they definitely didn't do it to push an agenda. That is just the incessant whining of neck bearded misogynists that couldn't get a woman who looks like Maria or Angela, both as they are depicted by the current cast of actors, or the previous. Not with attitudes like the ones they bring to this discussion.

Doin gods work

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by phildor:

Finally, and bluntly, they didn't make the women ugly. And they definitely didn't do it to push an agenda.

Thank you.
I'm tired of this nonsense.

[[Redacted]]

Oh, how the ardent defenders of wokeism - or its bullish deniers - have come out in full force regurgitating tired old talking points of their own, such as the ragebait youtuber excuse, and, boy, they are mad 🤣.

They are through action and deed giving more credibility to the points in the video than disproving them by exemplifying the very traits of relativism they claim doesn't exist.

You can't make this stuff up.

Take note kids, this is the best case of the Streisand Effect I've seen yet.

<munches on popcorn>

[phildor]

Originally posted by Redacted:

Oh, how the ardent defenders of wokeism - or its bullish deniers - have come out in full force regurgitating tired old talking points of their own, such as the ragebait youtuber excuse, and, boy, they are mad 🤣.

They are through action and deed giving more credibility to the points in the video than disproving them by exemplifying the very traits of relativism they claim doesn't exist.

You can't make this stuff up.

Take note kids, this is the best case of the Streisand Effect I've seen yet.

<munches on popcorn>

Put your words next to mine, and tell me which seem more trite and regurgitated.

Hit me up when you've got something more than just lazy, surface level mockery. If that's all you've got, that's all I'll assume you're capable of.

[Noobie]

Oooo free clowns

[Shaelent]

Originally posted by Redacted:

Oh, how the ardent defenders of wokeism - or its bullish deniers - have come out in full force regurgitating tired old talking points of their own, such as the ragebait youtuber excuse, and, boy, they are mad 🤣.

They are through action and deed giving more credibility to the points in the video than disproving them by exemplifying the very traits of relativism they claim doesn't exist.

You can't make this stuff up.

Take note kids, this is the best case of the Streisand Effect I've seen yet.

<munches on popcorn>

Here we are with the same old discussion from right wing manchildren that either come here to troll forum boards for points or are still upset over a game not appealing to their politics and ideals so they post YT videos of grifters. I've never seen a community of clowns gather together this much to cry over a bunch of pixels on a screen. Buy the game and play it, or go back to begging your parents for validation.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Shaelent:

I've never seen a community of clowns gather together this much to cry over a bunch of pixels on a screen.

Isn't it ironic, too?

The same side that spent so many years in the past talking about "snowflakes" and "virtue signaling" sure seems to be demonstrating a whole, whole, whole lot of those things the last number of years.

Almost like it was projection all along.

[Mobile Suit God Damn]

None of these dimbulbs have a mouse next to their name.