For those who don't already know (I assume most of the SH vets already do) you should check out the movie Jacobs Ladder, which was a huge Influence in the creation of Silent Hill

[Harry Scrowtem]

The original one from 1990, not the dei remake from 2019...
the movie is a classic and so heavy with symbolism (and for those who believe in it) Illuminati conspiracy. (SPOILER ALERT) https://rosettedelacroix.com/?p=12
Internet Archive is your friend...

[mdesaleah]

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lmao what does this comment even have to do with anything in the movie at all.

Unless you couldnt handle 4 very normal women as leads. At least have an actual reason to dislike a movie.

It's not a horror. It's a movie that cannot decide what it wants to be. That what I felt in 40 minutes.

I told you its a slow burn.

And yes it is horror. But again, its extremely slow especially at the start. And its more interested in subtext than jumpscares. I could say what the subtext is, but that also spoils the entire thing.

But if your reaction to it was "wOmEn" and "boring" then its definitely not for you. At least the latter makes some sense though, since it is a slow movie.

[Harry Scrowtem]

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I am ♥♥♥♥♥♥ clown.

Not an FBI agent eats his own feces and drinks his own pee, the sick fahk.

[@R+5]

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is a classic and so heavy with symbolism

Btw, for those who like psychological horror in films, watch "Sileni" (lunacy) by jan svankmajer

If you have never watched anything by him, don search his other films or his name, avoid the trailer, as well as comments, so to skip a few important spoilers. if you do, you will thank me.

here is the full movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5wl2ct6-f4

https://invidious.privacydev.net/watch?v=u5wl2ct6-f4

since most marxists seem to be dishonest about the value of symbolical language, critical thinking, or even unable to grasp either, if you (not you op) are like that, is probable this movie isnt for you.

to expect someone like that to watch and understand this movie would be like asking a religious fanatic to read or listen arguments and ideas that question his faith. would be a bit harsh, and require exercising actual scepticism, patience and openness.

[@R+5]

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Check out Annihilation as well. One of those “hard to advertise” movies, which is probably why it didn’t do so well at first.

How so? not only is pretty well known, the name of the movie was widely advertised, and far more than it deserved only because of the "star actress".

it failed to reach more notoriety because its mediocre. without the name of the actress, it would have faded sooner into oblivion, and would be actually hard to find.

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It starts as a slow burn (to the point where calling it horror feels wrong.

Thats actually true, because in that movie the "horror" aspect is secondary to the "ideological propaganda" aspect, which was the actual reason it was made. is not terrible, but isnt good, and certainly not an actual "horror" film.

There are many better movies addressing the themes unrelated to the propaganda aspect (the "what you should think and feel about these themes we are exposing to you"), and in a far more effective way. "annihilation" is objectively overrated, and is easy to accept once you consider that without the name of the actress and "co-stars", the movie itself doesnt hold only with its content and dialogues.

If you actually want to begin understanding what "psychological horror" means, follow op advice, and watch the original version of "jacobs ladder", and then try also if you still care, "sileni" by jan svanknmajer.

Then, if you want to understand proper and actual "horror" films, begin with a few b movies from the 80s and 90s, which frequently include "dark comedy" mixed with them; watch "alien" film series (before the modern bs was added), films by john carpenter, as well as some miniseries with screenplay by stephen king. watch nosferatu. obv, watch "the exorcist" and the series "the omen". And just as a side note, watch films by monty python, which are comedy, but may include a few horror elements as part of dark jokes.

then try o think whats the difference in the quality of horror in those films vs modern, what traits their directors and writers have in common (and why are they different to "political activist directors"), and how poorly "horror" is used in films like "annihilation", and why many mediocre films that have the tag "horror" actually care more about other stuff (ie those that care more "message over critical thinking themes").

[mdesaleah]

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Check out Annihilation as well. One of those “hard to advertise” movies, which is probably why it didn’t do so well at first.

How so? not only is pretty well known, the name of the movie was widely advertised, and far more than it deserved only because of the "star actress".

it failed to reach more notoriety because its mediocre. without the name of the actress, it would have faded sooner into oblivion, and would be actually hard to find.

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It starts as a slow burn (to the point where calling it horror feels wrong.

Thats actually true, because in that movie the "horror" aspect is secondary to the "ideological propaganda" aspect, which was the actual reason it was made.

You said all I needed to know to disregard the rest.

Definitely not getting any good analysis after that.

[@R+5]

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How so? not only is pretty well known, the name of the movie was widely advertised, and far more than it deserved only because of the "star actress".

it failed to reach more notoriety because its mediocre. without the name of the actress, it would have faded sooner into oblivion, and would be actually hard to find.



Thats actually true, because in that movie the "horror" aspect is secondary to the "ideological propaganda" aspect, which was the actual reason it was made.

You said all I needed to know to disregard the rest.

Definitely not getting any good analysis after that.

then you have just proved my point: lack of patience to question your beliefs.

what do you think i mean with "propaganda aspect"? i updated my previous comment to include what it meant. you seem to be the kind that tends to jump into conclusions.

[mdesaleah]

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You said all I needed to know to disregard the rest.

Definitely not getting any good analysis after that.

then you have just proved my point: lack of patience to question your beliefs.

what do you think i mean with "propaganda aspect"?

Enough to know its not worth discussing when "pRoPaGaNdA" really is the first thing you think of.

If anyone else would like to actually discuss symbolism and subtext, Im all for it. Cause its both mixed with some very on-the-nose examples, but also some that are more hidden and easily missed.

[@R+5]

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I like the actor but I did not see that one. So I checked out the trailer and well. Doesn't look that related.

until you watch it, and until you listen to the original creators of silent hill, you wont understand how that film relates to the game. anyone that cares about the original game series (sh1 - sh4, minus the bs silent hill movies) at some basic level, knows that.

Also any good trailer tries to avoid spoilers and show only the basic notions to attract viewers, and is not something most editors are able to pull. many trailers are not very good, and in worst cases could be even "destructive". imo, the trailer says enough about the films without spoiling some of its more interesting aspects.

watch the movie, then comment. the cover of a book never tells you everything about it, and neither the miniature of a youtube video, or the trailer and poster for a movie. you barely get a taste, but to understand its value as a "core reference" for the concept of silent hill, you need to watch it (rather than just trying to see the most visually appealing fragments).

[@R+5]

This statement

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Enough to know its not worth discussing when "pRoPaGaNdA" really is the first thing you think of.

and this one

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If anyone else would like to actually discuss symbolism and subtext, Im all for it.

are not compatible.

Also if you do believe this

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but also some that are more hidden and easily missed.

then that also contradicts what you have commented: things that are "hidden and easily missed" can be found after carefully search for them, and deal with anything you may find annoying or unappealing, or boring.

since you probably didnt read my updated comment, heres what i mean with "ideological propaganda aspect":

the "what you should think and feel about these themes we are exposing to you"

Are you going to tell me that the main focus of the film annihilation isnt that?

what or which are the "main messages" of the film "annihilation", according to you?

[Harry Scrowtem]

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I like the actor but I did not see that one. So I checked out the trailer and well. Doesn't look that related.

are you referring to Jacobs Ladder?
here's a little proof
https://i.redd.it/cn49urzs90z21.jpg
at first I didn't see any resemblance either and for the most part it doesn't resemble Silent Hill in image (but its symbolism resembles Silent Hill 100%) I went from thinking "nah, this is an older movie that not only isn't going to be scary or disturbing but its not even going to compare to Silent Hill, to it proving me dead wrong and being so much more than just a typical horror movie.
also, if you watch it, once you get to the train station part, you'll definitely be having flashbacks to SH3.

[Harry Scrowtem]

Първоначално публикувано от mdesaleah:

Check out Annihilation as well. One of those “hard to advertise” movies, which is probably why it didn’t do so well at first. Advertise a slow burn as a scary horror movie and you kind of miss the point

It starts as a slow burn (to the point where calling it horror feels wrong. It still is, but not in the usual way). And it’s not exactly SH. But it does have a big location at the end that’s the most SH4 type room without being directly inspired by it.

It’s also has strong Alien (the first movie) inspiration at points. And the overall story fits the more personal SH1-4 style

Good movie if you want something different that has its own dozens of scenes you can take subtext from

It was on Netflix, and if it’s till there then it’s an easy find

thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a look, I may not like what Natalie Portman has to say, but I do sure like the way she looks. lol

[Harry Scrowtem]

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is a classic and so heavy with symbolism

Btw, for those who like psychological horror in films, watch "Sileni" (lunacy) by jan svankmajer

If you have never watched anything by him, don search his other films or his name, avoid the trailer, as well as comments, so to skip a few important spoilers. if you do, you will thank me.

here is the full movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5wl2ct6-f4

https://invidious.privacydev.net/watch?v=u5wl2ct6-f4

since most marxists seem to be dishonest about the value of symbolical language, critical thinking, or even unable to grasp either, if you (not you op) are like that, is probable this movie isnt for you.

to expect someone like that to watch and understand this movie would be like asking a religious fanatic to read or listen arguments and ideas that question his faith. would be a bit harsh, and require exercising actual scepticism, patience and openness.

When I first read the title I was confusing it with and thinking of Salò, I haven't heard of this movie though, it looks very interesting and reading that its based on the works of Poe and Sade makes me exited to watch it, thanks for sharing!

[cheetah1546]

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I like the actor but I did not see that one. So I checked out the trailer and well. Doesn't look that related.

are you referring to Jacobs Ladder?
here's a little proof
https://i.redd.it/cn49urzs90z21.jpg
at first I didn't see any resemblance either and for the most part it doesn't resemble Silent Hill in image (but its symbolism resembles Silent Hill 100%) I went from thinking "nah, this is an older movie that not only isn't going to be scary or disturbing but its not even going to compare to Silent Hill, to it proving me dead wrong and being so much more than just a typical horror movie.
also, if you watch it, once you get to the train station part, you'll definitely be having flashbacks to SH3.

Oh yeah absolutely. Was not saying that anyone was wrong. I played the games and care about them. I didn't watch any related movies. But I am willing to check that one out.

I just don't really think of it as a great reason to also gatekeep with. If the remake is to be successful, we will need all kinds of players to buy it.

[THE VERY REVEREND MISTER BONK]

30 years ago - blimey!

Never knew it was remade, I guess it flopped.

[Harry Scrowtem]

Първоначално публикувано от cheetah1546:

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are you referring to Jacobs Ladder?
here's a little proof
https://i.redd.it/cn49urzs90z21.jpg
at first I didn't see any resemblance either and for the most part it doesn't resemble Silent Hill in image (but its symbolism resembles Silent Hill 100%) I went from thinking "nah, this is an older movie that not only isn't going to be scary or disturbing but its not even going to compare to Silent Hill, to it proving me dead wrong and being so much more than just a typical horror movie.
also, if you watch it, once you get to the train station part, you'll definitely be having flashbacks to SH3.

Oh yeah absolutely. Was not saying that anyone was wrong. I played the games and care about them. I didn't watch any related movies. But I am willing to check that one out.

I just don't really think of it as a great reason to also gatekeep with. If the remake is to be successful, we will need all kinds of players to buy it.

This is understandable to an extent, though i don't really think of myself as gate keeping, I want Silent Hill be successfully resurrected so to speak, as much as anyone else but not at the cost of potentially turning it into something it's not, if that's the case I'd rather it just stay dead and dormant and have them make more Downpours and Homecomings (which were not necessarily bad games in themselves, but were not what the original Team Silent games were)