I'm worried about this game...

[St_Winter]

AAAH, WOKEISM WAAH WAH, LIBS DID IT AGAIN! Just kidding . I just see everyone throwing that in any time they complain about anything these days. "AHH, I burnt my toast! That toaster must have been a wokeist Democrat!"

Any who... The actual issue I'm having with it is that the game seems to be action focused, which is what ruined the series in the first place. There is a pretty clear path already with the brilliant original Silent Hill 2. Why not follow that? Yeah, combat can be ♥♥♥♥♥♥. That's not what the game was about. The gross sounds and roars of the monsters is just as generic as other scary games. That's why the original didn't really have a lot of that. The creepy factor was from the odd noises they made. The clicking, the weird gulping noise. Them slowly but sort of quiet way they came up behind you. The original was intense and nerve wrecking. No generic suspenseful music, but instead this industrial metallic sound from Akira Yamaoka. (which I thought I read that he was back on board or they were using his original mix).

I was so excited for this. Well... cautiously excited. And then hearing a little bit about the prices coming out for this game... ugh. I just want this to be good. I really really do.

I know... I know... Konami.

I just want my Silent Hill series to come back and be great. I've played up to 4 and the lost interest for obvious reasons. I still have such good memories with my friend back when we were kids, playing Castlevania Symphony of the Night and Silent Hill 1 and then 2. Ah, the good old days.

[Tracido]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by splinter3d:

No it is not. And it is not remastered. Enhanced Edition is very close to what we need. But graphical elements of it are outdated anyway.

Nah. Its a remaster, and exactly what we need and have.

Going farther and replacing assets completely with ones that look flashier runs the big risk of loosing the original art direction.

Enhanced Edition already upscales 2D images and uses high definition versions instead. Ones that match the originals identically.

Its Remastered in the perfect way that RE4 HD Fan Patch was. Completely retouched but in a way that you will only ever notice many of the improvements if you do a direct comparison, because its so accurate otherwise.

If Konami had half a brain cell set aside for FUTURE profits, they'd have APPROACHED the team that did the Enhanced Edition, and would PAY them and reverse engineer the entire thing for a proper remaster.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Tracido:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Nah. Its a remaster, and exactly what we need and have.

Going farther and replacing assets completely with ones that look flashier runs the big risk of loosing the original art direction.

Enhanced Edition already upscales 2D images and uses high definition versions instead. Ones that match the originals identically.

Its Remastered in the perfect way that RE4 HD Fan Patch was. Completely retouched but in a way that you will only ever notice many of the improvements if you do a direct comparison, because its so accurate otherwise.

If Konami had half a brain cell for FUTURE profits, they'd have APPROACHED the team that did the Enhanced Edition, PAY them and reverse engineer the entire thing for a proper remaster.

Doing it that way could work. They probably couldnt just take the Enhanced Edition itself due to weird legal reasoning with fan projects, but getting the devs to basically do it again but officially recognized from the start would work.

Sega is practically the only dev to really do this though. Get big fan game creators and modders, get them to enhance the older games for mobile officially (small scale releases). Take note of how well they did it, and then have them make a big new side game with main team assistance while the main team is mostly busy.

Although I dont think any fan dev would want to work with Konami considering their reputation.

[St_Winter]

Don't forget all the other side Silent Hill projects that aren't looking so hot...

[Tracido]

Originally posted by St_Winter:

Don't forget all the other side Silent Hill projects that aren't looking so hot...

Everything is being judged based on previous works and that free one on PS5 until SH2 is out, and that history is terrible beyond SH4, as I have been mentioning repeatedly, even James Stephanie Sterling mocked the hell out of The Short Message being someone screaming about their haunted meow meow.

So yeah, people already have reason to worry.

[splinter3d]

mdesaleah

I agree mostly. But we need three layers:
1) Enhanced Edition style Remaster should be official anyway.
2) Some small and highly objective improvements beyond Remaster: In-game faces shouldn't be so ugly and replaced with cutscenes' faces, fixing hardcore difficulty boss fights which are unwinnable without extra tricks and knowledge and other like that.
3) Remake - the least needed but possible. That will make the game more realistic like I am there: free camera, more detailed and believable environment, more nuanced gameplay etc.

[Tracido]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Tracido:

If Konami had half a brain cell for FUTURE profits, they'd have APPROACHED the team that did the Enhanced Edition, PAY them and reverse engineer the entire thing for a proper remaster.

Doing it that way could work. They probably couldnt just take the Enhanced Edition itself due to weird legal reasoning with fan projects, but getting the devs to basically do it again but officially recognized from the start would work.

Sega is practically the only dev to really do this though. Get big fan game creators and modders, get them to enhance the older games for mobile officially (small scale releases). Take note of how well they did it, and then have them make a big new side game with main team assistance while the main team is mostly busy.

Although I dont think any fan dev would want to work with Konami considering their reputation.

Speaking of Konami's REPUTATION..

The Lost Version of Silent Hill 5
Silent Archives
uploaded 8 hours ago
https://youtu.be/i4owIDX6MKc

[St_Winter]

Originally posted by Tracido:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Doing it that way could work. They probably couldnt just take the Enhanced Edition itself due to weird legal reasoning with fan projects, but getting the devs to basically do it again but officially recognized from the start would work.

Sega is practically the only dev to really do this though. Get big fan game creators and modders, get them to enhance the older games for mobile officially (small scale releases). Take note of how well they did it, and then have them make a big new side game with main team assistance while the main team is mostly busy.

Although I dont think any fan dev would want to work with Konami considering their reputation.

Speaking of Konami's REPUTATION..

The Lost Version of Silent Hill 5
Silent Archives
uploaded 8 hours ago
https://youtu.be/i4owIDX6MKc

It makes me sad for what could have been. I actually really loved 4. For the longest time, I thought I liked it more than 2, but after getting it on gog and watching a few people covering it, I realized that 2 is very much the best silent hill. So many things come together so well in that game. 1 had so many great things going on, 4 had a really interesting take on being stuck in the apartment room between each mission or venture out. But 2 did all of the things each one did the best. Story, characters, atmosphere, the map, and monsters.

[Tracido]

Originally posted by St_Winter:

Originally posted by Tracido:

Speaking of Konami's REPUTATION..

The Lost Version of Silent Hill 5
Silent Archives
uploaded 8 hours ago
https://youtu.be/i4owIDX6MKc

It makes me sad for what could have been. I actually really loved 4. For the longest time, I thought I liked it more than 2, but after getting it on gog and watching a few people covering it, I realized that 2 is very much the best silent hill. So many things come together so well in that game. 1 had so many great things going on, 4 had a really interesting take on being stuck in the apartment room between each mission or venture out. But 2 did all of the things each one did the best. Story, characters, atmosphere, the map, and monsters.

There's actually a real reason for this..
https://ibb.co/YTHKs8p

As you can see, SH2 got almost every single person from Team Silent, 3 & 4 were from the team being split to work on separate projects.

We all can see that difference..

[Neno]

Originally posted by Tracido:

Originally posted by St_Winter:

Don't forget all the other side Silent Hill projects that aren't looking so hot...

Everything is being judged based on previous works and that free one on PS5 until SH2 is out, and that history is terrible beyond SH4, as I have been mentioning repeatedly, even James Stephanie Sterling mocked the hell out of The Short Message being someone screaming about their haunted meow meow.

So yeah, people already have reason to worry.

Sterling's an idiot, the short message was actually OK. The monster design and environments were some of the best in the series. The lesson here (imo) is that we need to start paying less attention to online "controversy" manufacturers (including the ones in this forum....) and actually experience the games ourselves.

[Tracido]

Originally posted by Neno:

Originally posted by Tracido:

Everything is being judged based on previous works and that free one on PS5 until SH2 is out, and that history is terrible beyond SH4, as I have been mentioning repeatedly, even James Stephanie Sterling mocked the hell out of The Short Message being someone screaming about their haunted meow meow.

So yeah, people already have reason to worry.

Sterling's an idiot, the short message was actually OK. The monster design and environments were some of the best in the series. The lesson here (imo) is that we need to start paying less attention to online "controversy" manufacturers (including the ones in this forum....) and actually experience the games ourselves.

Funny you go after Sterling, they actually liked the monster designs, but continue..

I also played it and was bored so much I stopped. Like every average horror game I even tested demo's of this Next Fest.

All of the things since SH4 from the series have been not scary, period.

[Neno]

I just don't like Sterling's style or any of those other controversy-bait channels lol.

I guess I also enjoyed the story and characters despite the extremely clumsy writing, it reminded me of a cross between Silent Hill and Life is Strange... I love both of those things so it worked for me. I can see why the writing would be a deal-breaker for some though.

I guess my main point is that I'm not "worried" about playing a game and forming my own opinion, even if it turns out to be bad. I refuse to let the online hive mind influence my opinion before I've even played the game.

Originally posted by Tracido:

Originally posted by Neno:

Sterling's an idiot, the short message was actually OK. The monster design and environments were some of the best in the series. The lesson here (imo) is that we need to start paying less attention to online "controversy" manufacturers (including the ones in this forum....) and actually experience the games ourselves.

Funny you go after Sterling, they actually liked the monster designs, but continue..

I also played it and was bored so much I stopped. Like every average horror game I even tested demo's of this Next Fest.

All of the things since SH4 from the series have been not scary, period.

[Tracido]

Originally posted by Neno:

I just don't like Sterling's style or any of those other controversy-bait channels lol.

I guess I also enjoyed the story and characters despite the extremely clumsy writing, it reminded me of a cross between Silent Hill and Life is Strange... I love both of those things so it worked for me. I can see why the writing would be a deal-breaker for some though.

I guess my main point is that I'm not "worried" about playing a game and forming my own opinion, even if it turns out to be bad. I refuse to let the online hive mind influence my opinion before I've even played the game.

Um, this isn't a system where being a compliant quiet servant gets you anywhere, he's an entertainer, that's how all of this 'journalism' works in a world where what you earn determines your job continuance..

I can enjoy a lot of things since SH4, too. It's the lack of horror that was my issue.

No one took risks like they did with 3 again (Fukuro lady, look it up and learn), nor kept the story together even as messy as it got in 4 it still was in the same caliber..

Now if you want new stories from new things, I don't understand why they can't just make new IP's. See where I'm coming from, too?

If you want to be faithful to this material, then do that, but that's not what's happened since 4.

[Neno]

Welp making a game like TSM about "self termination" shows they're willing to take at least a few risks given how sensitive that topic is these days (I've even seen people having to censor the in-game warning/support hotline pages for youtube, which is just ridiculous).

I'm looking forward to Silent Hill f and Townfall, seems like they might be allowing other creators to do something other than retread the overanalysed tropes of SH2.

New IP's are of course welcome too, imo the best horror game of the last 10 years was Frictional's SOMA. I don't expect big publishers like Konami to be able to outdo the indies in that regard.

Originally posted by Tracido:

Originally posted by Neno:

I just don't like Sterling's style or any of those other controversy-bait channels lol.

I guess I also enjoyed the story and characters despite the extremely clumsy writing, it reminded me of a cross between Silent Hill and Life is Strange... I love both of those things so it worked for me. I can see why the writing would be a deal-breaker for some though.

I guess my main point is that I'm not "worried" about playing a game and forming my own opinion, even if it turns out to be bad. I refuse to let the online hive mind influence my opinion before I've even played the game.

Um, this isn't a system where being a compliant quiet servant gets you anywhere, he's an entertainer, that's how all of this 'journalism' works in a world where what you earn determines your job continuance..

I can enjoy a lot of things since SH4, too. It's the lack of horror that was my issue.

No one took risks like they did with 3 again (Fukuro lady, look it up and learn), nor kept the story together even as messy as it got in 4 it still was in the same caliber..

Now if you want new stories from new things, I don't understand why they can't just make new IP's. See where I'm coming from, too?

If you want to be faithful to this material, then do that, but that's not what's happened since 4.

[Tracido]

Originally posted by Neno:

Welp making a game like TSM about "self termination" shows they're willing to take at least a few risks given how sensitive that topic is these days (I've even seen people having to censor the in-game warning/support hotline pages for youtube, which is just ridiculous).

I'm looking forward to Silent Hill f and Townfall, seems like they might be allowing other creators to do something other than retread the overanalysed tropes of SH2.

New IP's are of course welcome too, imo the best horror game of the last 10 years was Frictional's SOMA. I don't expect big publishers like Konami to be able to outdo the indies in that regard.

Originally posted by Tracido:

Um, this isn't a system where being a compliant quiet servant gets you anywhere, he's an entertainer, that's how all of this 'journalism' works in a world where what you earn determines your job continuance..

I can enjoy a lot of things since SH4, too. It's the lack of horror that was my issue.

No one took risks like they did with 3 again (Fukuro lady, look it up and learn), nor kept the story together even as messy as it got in 4 it still was in the same caliber..

Now if you want new stories from new things, I don't understand why they can't just make new IP's. See where I'm coming from, too?

If you want to be faithful to this material, then do that, but that's not what's happened since 4.

Right, you consume and enjoy.

I was looking for horror, that original content that Silent Hill 2 already had, without tampering and instead of being disturbed, I was distracted by Herman Munsters sack, among many other issues we all have seen. Up to and including entire characters seemingly changed all the way down to their behavior and acting skill.. It was the only one I cared about and they will forever be stained as a company handling a proper remake if they ruin it.. Casuals that love five nights at Freddy's might be very happy though. Who knows.

[mdesaleah]

Short Message I’d qualify as average horror game (the type youd find cheap on PC made by a very small team), but below average SH game.

It’s a PT clone that misses why PT was so popular.

It also tries way too hard to handle multiple subjects like bullying online, self-image, parental abuse. But it only has 2 hours to do all that so it chooses to be extremely blatant about everything.

It has none of the restraint of 1-4 and PT, and so it has none of the mystery. Also the voice acting is really bad.

So it ends up feeling like a poorly done PSA, because that’s pretty much what it is

And theres way better options for that kind of game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wo3TmI1VwE