Why does this game run fine on my 8 year old laptop, but crash on my "High end" computer

[Lakshata]

Looking for help, I'd like to be able to run mabi on my desktop but it seemingly randomly causes my video driver to crash, which then locks up my computer, and force restarts it.

This ONLY happens in mabi, no other games, and it doesn't happen when I'm running dungeons at all, I just can't figure it out.

Laptop Specs:
Operating System: Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit (6.3, Build 9600) (9600.winblue_r9.150322-1500)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS
Driver Version: 9.18.13.4144

Desktop Specs:
Operating System: Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit (6.3, Build 9600) (9600.winblue_r9.150322-1500)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570
Driver Version: 9.18.13.5286

It's definitely not overheating, since the highest I get running mabi is 56C.

[Cyberse Talker @Rinister]

thats nothing compared to what I have experienced with a nexon game, I can play maple story perfectly on old crappy desktop computers but my laptop from 2013 has unplayable lag for it.

[Veraducks]

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU

Not supported by Mabi. Oddly.

[Lakshata]

I don't think it's a problem with the processor, although it would be really saddening if it was.

[Veraducks]

It is. I had similar problems when changing to the same series, but my 2012 laptop is fine.

You should remember that Mabi is more than a decade old, and it's age is showing more and more. The engine it uses was all but out of date when it was released, as well.

[Lakshata]

Yeah the laptop is what I played it on in highschool, I thought something that was newer would be able to run it flawlessly, not worse.

[Arolust]

mabi is not the same as it use to be, lots of additions and changes. Check out the old requirements from

2011
OS: Microsoft Windows (2K or later)
CPU: Intel Pentium III 2.0 GHz
RAM: 512 MB
Graphics: Nvidia GeForceFX 5700 or ATI Radeon 9500 or similar
HDD: 1.2 GB
DirectX: 9.0c
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Mabinogi_(video_game)


2014
OS: Windows 7 or higher
CPU: Dual Core 2.5Ghz or better
RAM: 2GB or higher
Graphics: GeForce 7600GS/Radeon X1300 or better
HDD: 4 GB or more
Direct X: Direct 9.0c or newer
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2445195/figure-game-run-laptop-specs.html


Today
OS: Windows 7 or higher
CPU: Dual Core 2.5Ghz or better
RAM: 4GB or higher
Graphics: GeForce 7600GS/Radeon X1300 or better
HDD: 8GB
DirectX: Direct 9.0c or newer
http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Support/ClientDrivers

The game is constantly changing

EDIT:
oh, which graphics are you using for mabinogi? The card or the integrated graphics?
Do you play fullscreen or window? (you should try the other and see if you have the problem)

[Lakshata]

On both the laptop and the desktop I use the card, I don't think I have intergrated graphics on the desktop.

As for fullscreen vs. windowed. On the desktop, fullscreen causes screen flickers nearly every time something loads, or opening a window. Windows is more stable by a huge margin.

I have looked into the errors in the event log, every time I search for them I got forwarded to this thread from nvidia, which is incredibly unhelpful. I have done every possible variation of the suggestions within.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/389688/geforce-drivers/nvidia-statement-on-tdr-errors-display-driver-nvlddmkm-stopped-/

[Arolust]

alright, your I5 2500k does should have integrated graphics, I dont think intel ships any i core cpus without it.

Based on what you have said I looked around for anything related to mabinogi and your cpu/gpu but didnt find any complaints about them, so we can rule out it being a specific problem with those components.

I run mabinogi on windows 8.1 and so do many others right now including yourself, and there are issues but nothing specifically like what your having.

We can rule out hardware failure because it only happens with mabi by your own account.

So I think it would have to be a driver issue (try old old drivers from maybe 6 months ago or more) or it could be some software clashing (other software on your computer having issues with mabi).

thats all I can think of given what information we have, if you come across anything else to add please do and we can rethink the possibilities or get more specific.

(post could have been just a paragraph long, but others might want the info)

EDIT: on a side note, have you tried disabling some settings in mabinogi, more specifically try turning on Hide Quest Info.

[Lakshata]

I'll try to provide more information as I get it.

Seems to crash more in Emain Macha and near moon gates in general, but still for the most part randomly

NEVER happened in a dungeon, although I did have a lockup in fiodh.

Did try using a driver from when my card came out, one from like 2011, that didn't help, but I might try a more recent one.

I uninstalled NVidia's HD Audio Drivers because there are claims of conflicts between that and Realtek HDAudio drivers.

Quest Info is hidden.

Changing stuff in options doesn't seem to affect the crashes, I might try and capture a video of screen flickering in full screen or something and upload it though if that helps.


As you said above though 98% sure it's not a hardware issue, since I went on to play Far Cry 3 for a few hours on high settings after I reboote from a crash.

Edit: Recorded about 45 seconds of messing around with settings, OBS crashes when a TDR error occurs so one file was corrupt, but fullscreen breaks harder.

https://youtu.be/BLI3jwiQUJI

Here's a video I recorded of changing some settings, you don't really see the screen flickering until I change view range. since a good portion of the screen flickering isn't captured.

Screenshot running normally

http://puu.sh/iaxNH/6d6dbd29eb.png

[Kai]

8 year old laptops have integrated mobo graphics that aren't Intel, but are of Nvidia or ATI gpu.

Basically they had 'mini-gpu' integrated into the mobo, while today's integrated graphics like Intel are inside the chip itself.

Because the older laptops have actual modules separate from the cpu, it runs on it's own power and not limited by the cpu usage as if it's shared on the die.

APUs are better at that for a reason.

So your brand spanking new laptop with 'energy efficient' and cpu hyperthreading tech, suffers due to the lack of power supply to it's graphics unit, which it's sharing with the main cpu usage, on the same spot in the mobo.

So if the cpu consumes x amount of power out of everything in the pc, the gpu can only use a % of that cpu's x power. A 8 year old laptop could have x amount of power for the cpu to use 100%, and a x amount of power for the gpu module that's a chip attached to the mobo.

[Songbird]

You see the reason why it crashes is because your computer is a living being and is insulted you paid all that money and you're play mabi on it! It's true xD ( I love mabi don't get me wrong )

[TheWaddleKnight]

It's because Mabinogi is a 10 year old game designed to run on a single (or dual) core toaster of a computer U: Mabinogi is seriously like.... 20% GPU and 80% CPU. Having an amazing graphics card isn't going to magically fix everything, especially considering how poorly programmed Mabinogi is~ Same thing goes for older games like Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, which runs abysmally on an 8-core system (Better on an Intel i7 4-core, because reasons), yet runs absolutely fine on an old, beat-up toaster of a PC with a dual core~

[TheWaddleKnight]

Lakshata eredeti hozzászólása:

Looking for help, I'd like to be able to run mabi on my desktop but it seemingly randomly causes my video driver to crash, which then locks up my computer, and force restarts it.

This ONLY happens in mabi, no other games, and it doesn't happen when I'm running dungeons at all, I just can't figure it out.

Laptop Specs:
Operating System: Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit (6.3, Build 9600) (9600.winblue_r9.150322-1500)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS
Driver Version: 9.18.13.4144

Desktop Specs:
Operating System: Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit (6.3, Build 9600) (9600.winblue_r9.150322-1500)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570
Driver Version: 9.18.13.5286

It's definitely not overheating, since the highest I get running mabi is 56C.

56C? Running Mabinogi? Why in the world is your graphics card burning up that severely to begin with? o.o

[Arolust]

56C is not running hot.
at idle that card will be around 40C, and on load can go up to around 80C.

[TheWaddleKnight]

Arolust eredeti hozzászólása:

56C is not running hot.
at idle that card will be around 40C, and on load can go up to around 80C.

Guess I'm just used to idling at 24C and only hitting 60C on full load *Shrugface*