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There's 530 players playing through Steam.
A vast majority of people who play the game don't play it through the Steam client.
Even if five times the amount of people use the Nexon Launcher, which I doubt, ~3k logins is not a good amount of players for an MMO, at all.
Most players don't play through Steam. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than 5x.
The Steam version is known to be fairly buggy for some folks (if it even runs at all). It was even worse back in the day. Nothing like seeing headless Thunder Dragons wandering around Dunbarton and the like. Would frequently crash (still sorta does) and all sorts of annoyances like that.
While I won't pretend that the player rate is great for an MMO RPG, Mabinogi is over 12 years old, and is niche game at that.
How indepth is it and is there a group for this that plays regularly?
Because problems in G8 equate to problems now.
So you think the nexon users is more than 5 times the steam users? How about 10? 20? 30?
Either way speculating's retarded when you can have the actual numbers: https://mmo-population.com/
This game isn't it a niche game, if anything classless combat games with good crafting has been in high demand, just look at archeage or FF14, or ESO, or whatever othergame.
The problem has always been Nexon's refusal to adapt to the changing demands of consumers
It's more in demand now than it was back then, imo.
Back in generation 1, a lot of people didn't like Mabinogi because it was too confusing and the combat "felt clunky" to a lot of people (y can i no click people and win???) The game is so much more casual now than it was back then. Hell, I can level up to level 50 by just sitting on my butt, when back then trying to reach level 50 could take at least a couple of weeks of actually playing the game. Having more than 350 HP was considered tanky as all hell.
A lot of Mabinogi's population left and began declining severely when the hacking and botting problem got very serious and a bunch of fake Hebona robes were going around and they did a massive rollback and removed many Hebona robes (some which were legit). Half of my friends list legit quit the game when that happened and never looked back.
Then there's also the problem when Nexon support was taking up to TWO YEARS to answer support tickets.
It's scary numbers, but we still have a bigger community than a lot of these other RPGs out there.
Regardless, I think Nexon is starting to let it die off - I haven't seen a single ad for the game, and updates have been marginal tweaks to the UI & some recycled content.
It's going to end up being taken down if revenue doesn't add up - similar to what happened to DFO (they did happen to get revived by Neople though, the creators). Although, with the amount of the player base investing hundreds of dollars into NX every week - it could be awhile yet. Who knows for sure.
Not really, runescape's older than mabinogi.
Back in g1 people didn't like mabinogi because literally everything was tied behind VIP service.
Also it's casual now? What? Every armor in the game had the same stats back then, barring durability and blacksmith bonuses, not having gear to work towards is as casual as you can get in mabinogi. Wait no, having no raids, no field bosses, and a laughable auction house-esque system would be more casu- oh wait.
Mabinogi felt a decline and never recovered because of reforges, everyone warned that turning the game into a blatant pay2win would make it worse, and it did. Then came the event decline where it was just a PvP-fest, or some rehash of a daily quest to keep people logged in.
Runescape's been remade from the ground up two additional times by now. The brand is older than Mabinogi, sure, but the game isn't older than Mabinogi. Oldschool Runescape got re-released as a mobile app which probably boosted its player rate but even then it's not like it's completely thriving as there are a LOT of bots in Runescape. That, and a game that can be played anywhere at a browser also helps bring in a wider audience.
And yes, reforges doesn't help Mabi either. It's why I've stopped playing, so I can definitely agree to that.
I say it's casual now, because before, you actually had to group up to do content, do dungeons to get some of the best gear, and everything was done at a much more measured pace -- not just open up your wallet to get the best stuff in the game while soloing the same 8-man shadow mission over and over again in speedrun fashion to wrack up gold and always having two/three events consistently running at the same time no matter what without fail.
Yes, raids exist now, and such, but I've seen a lot of people who just bought their way to the end game with the reforges rather than work for it. I remember when reaching total level 5,000 was considered insanely high. Now you can get that high in days if you open up your wallet some.
Yes, still doing better than most MMOs. Especially some newer ones, like Bless Online -- which already had a second chance.
I don't think Nexon is letting it die off exactly. I think they're focusing more on Mabinogi M, which will basically be Mabinogi made for mobile and a new game made from the ground up. If the mobile game is successful, that could also breathe new life into the PC version of the game depending on how well it's received.
I don't have high faith in that though because 99% of mobile games tend to be/are crap. I'm expecting a game that looks like Mabinogi but ultimately is just pretending to be Mabinogi. Kind of like how Dungeon Keeper mobile pretends to be Dungeon Keeper and says it's Dungeon Keeper but it clearly isn't.
That's not what killed the game for me. What killed the game for me is how nobody wanted to do anything. My friends left after some drama, my guild never did anything, and the most I ever did on a regular basis was loiter around town...or talk to random people who either revolve entire on playing dress up, OR somehow make a deep conversation on perverted fetishes.
Another bit that felt so weird was how despite having good armor, powerful weapons, and leveled up my skills considerably, Certain common enemies can utterly pork me into oblivion like those robed goons spam attacking when they do the teleporting spam attack.
Has the game actually done anything...worthwhile since I left? Last time I actually played (for real I mean) was when Aces were introduced and Iria Saga was going on, that and some Crusader crap, I dunno. Also, NO. New combat styles are not worthwhile to me.