Can I just say that the thieves guild mission is huge

[Atlas32]

That was ridiculous, Lol

[thirdkeeper]

I liked the very beginning - after the cellar door opens it's all downhill.
Some of the missions that Gold added to the original Thief 1 just plain suck..

There is a "downgrade' patch that will revert Gold back to the original game.
I highly recommend it.

The Guild mission was one of those added missions and it was the worst designed
and most frustrating mission that I ever played; - and - I had already played through
Thief 1 and 2 before trying Gold.

As soon as I can find the "downgrade' patch I'll post the link here. NO first time players
should be subjected to these poorly designed discouragements.

- Thanks very much - for the feed - !

[Atlas32]

Cheers mate

[e.e]

Huh the downgrade patch? I don't think that needs to be downloaded.

[thirdkeeper]

What do you know about it?

It just restores Thief Gold back to the original Thief 1 - Free of the bogus missions
like 'The Guild' that he was complaining about.

I guess he could always just use the level skip cheat for missions that are a pain..
I'll look that up again and edit it into this post.

EDIT : Skip to Next Mission:
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Press [CTRL] + [ALT] + [SHIFT] + [END] to skip to the
next mission.

[thirdkeeper]

Originally posted by getAPT:

That was ridiculous, Lol

Found the info I was looking for in an ancient thread - (just resurrected)

Thanks To :

Originally posted by constancejill:

I don't like much any of the gold specific missions, neither do I like most of the changes they introduced to the original ones.
<advertisement> Just in case you'd feel the same and somehow want to downgrade a Thief Gold installation to TDP, then GoldToDark[www.ttlg.com] is for you.

[thirdkeeper]

Originally posted by Jiji:

You can just skip the levels you don't like with Ctrl Alt Shift End. The only bad level Thief Gold added was Thieves Guild anyway. I don't recommend GoldToDark if you are planning to play fan missions as almost all of them will require you to have Thief Gold.

Have to be able to play fan missions! - I would have missed the Mage Towers too..
I'l have to retract my advice with an updated announcement. - Thanks SO much for
helping me to catch this in time ! All that I need now is a 'Dark Loader' that'll run
on win 7 or above. - I finally signed on ttlg today, they must have something there..
- Thanks Again -> !

[constancejill]

Hi ^^

Nothing prevents you from having 2 or more folders with different installs of the game, one for TDP only, and a Gold one for fan missions :)

GoldToDark's setup instructions, in its "read me" file, do recommend to install it on a copy anyway.

Originally posted by thirdkeeper:

All that I need now is a 'Dark Loader' that'll run on win 7 or above.

If you update your game with NewDark (which is included in TFix), you don't need DarkLoader, you can just modify your game shortcut so that it starts with FMSel. Just add " -fm" (without quotes) at the end of the "target" field.

[thirdkeeper]

Originally posted by constancejill:

Hi ^^

Nothing prevents you from having 2 or more folders with different installs of the game, one for TDP only, and a Gold one for fan missions :)

GoldToDark's setup instructions, in its "read me" file, do recommend to install it on a copy anyway.

As a matter of routine I prefer to air on the side of caution by DLing all accompanying text
files and reading thoroughly before running. Thanks very much for clarifying though 8 )

I take it you're the author of this work of brilliance.. A great idea much needed for those
like myself who prefer the original DS, and for first timers who might be discouraged or
be misled by a negative impression.

Thanks so much for all the work you put into this and to make it so accessible -> !

Originally posted by constancejill:

If you update your game with NewDark (which is included in TFix), you don't need DarkLoader, you can just modify your game shortcut so that it starts with FMSel. Just add " -fm" (without quotes) at the end of the "target" field.

Great! - I love using command line peramiters, takes me right back to the days of DOS
and composing batch files. - So direct !

Appreciate all the help.

- Best Wishes -

[thirdkeeper]

Originally posted by Jiji:

You can also get FMSel by opening cam_mod.ini in the Thief folder and removing ";" from the line that reads ";fm".

Cool - that might even be more convenient - have two ini's; one original and one for
launching FMs, and just swap them out as needed..

Originally posted by Jiji:

There's also NewDarkLoader which aims to be more similar to DarkLoader, and the recently released AngelLoader which allows you to store all your fan missions in one place (as it identifies which game each mission is for), and comes with some other cool features.

Well I like keeping them seperate anyway for my own sanity. - I enjoy writing reviews of my favorite Fan Missions and I need to know what game I'm talking about, but I'm interested in
what these other 'cool features' might be..

Thanks for your many kindnesses Jiji 8 )

[Maeks]

Bashing Thieves' Guild is the most stupid meme out there, and it mostly comes from people who are plain bad at the game. I'm surprised no one talks about how bad Maw of Chaos is, considering it's just A Keeper's Training 2.0, and linear as hell.

[thirdkeeper]

Each to their own..

Defending the Guild is the stupidest from people who know nothing of level design and are
the worst players ever. The Maw is the greatest level ever created.

I don't mean any of this, I'm just being contrary to illustrate how stupid these arguments are.

- Thanks for the feed -

[big Hat arxm]

thieves guild felt like a doom map it was so large lol

[Mîchā’ēl]

Thieves Guild rules.

[lionhart]

The biggest problem with the Thieves Guild mission is that the maps are terrible. Once I gave up on looking at the maps, and just used the compass to navigate, I liked it a lot more.

[dunbaratu]

Originally posted by lionhart:

The biggest problem with the Thieves Guild mission is that the maps are terrible. Once I gave up on looking at the maps, and just used the compass to navigate, I liked it a lot more.

Now, I get the idea in Thief that the maps are meant to be vague and not a crutch, but THIS map is worse than vague, it's actively lying, *causing* you to get lost so you'd have been better with no map at all. (The map in some places is a top down view and other places a side view, but nowhere on the map is this orientation indicated to the player so the player thinks the whole map is the same orientation and that's why players get lost.) And the thing is, this is allegedly a map Garret sketched himself. So that confusion that comes from not knowing the map was a side view is purely a game artifact of the player not knowing what Garret knows, not a thing that makes any sense in-character as Garret.