About the Pricing, Once and for all!!!

[heppsan]

I'm getting tired of all the whining about the pricing in this game!!
So I made a bit of counting.

If you would buy European Track Pack along with the following cars:

BMW M3 GT2
CAMARO GT3 + an extra livery for the ADAC
AUDI 90 GTO
BMW 320T
BMW M3 DTM
CHEVROLET DAYTONA PROTOTYPE
FORD MUSTANG GT3
APOLLO SPORT
CARLSSON C25
BMW M1
RADICAL SR9
BMW 635 CSI
BMW E90 320TC

You would get the ones above + the free:

BMW 134 Judd
Aquila CR1
Canhard R52
DMD P20
Saleen S7R

Which gives you access to race in all the current classes.
And on these tracks:

RaceRoom Raceway
Lakeview Hillclimb
Portimao
Brands Hatch
Zandvoort
Zolder
Lausitz
Hockenheimring
Hungaroring
Monza
Oschersleben
Norisring
Nürbergring
Red Bull Ring

A total of 18 cars and 14 tracks + layouts for about: 5800 vrp
And if you don't use any bundle bonus vrp purchase this is about 58€
If you would use the bundle vrp purchase, you would get this down to 50€!! (and still have 300 vrp's left)

Can you honestly say that this is too expensive if you think of what you get, and compared that to other titles!??.. .

[DirtyChaos]

+1

[jellobiafra]

Yes, for a wild mix of cars without any championship this is far to much.
You´ll get Game Stock Car and Assetto Corsa for this money.

But you choose a bad example I think, the price for the DTM packs is yet OK.

[Michael M.]

o.k.
fact is:
I have bought RR-content >100€ and the "ADAC GT Masters 2013 pack" ..as well, of course...

beside other cars, the ADAC pack has

- AUDI R8 LMS Ultra GT3
- BMW Z4 GT3
- Mercedes SLS AMG GT3

And now, Sir, please explain why I have to buy the cars mentioned above "again", just with a reskin, so that I am able to race GT3 class online in multiplayer ?
That is a **** joke, really...

The multiplayer is still missing fundamental features (Race07) but it's awesome for alpha.
It has some nice features already (slow car ghost, very good penalty system, reverse/idiot driver ghost..really nice.. and the public mp gameplay I have seen so far, has always been huge fun, mature drivers....less wreckers as in Race07 ...all good for a beta...

but with all the ingame-purchases it will get harder and harder to just find players in multiplayer .... people who have the same content, people who race this game at the same time ...

league-organisation, seems to be the only way to go concerning mp if they don't change the price/pack thing, like it is now... but maybe in the future things will change.

[heppsan]

İlk olarak jellobiafra tarafından gönderildi:

Yes, for a wild mix of cars without any championship this is far to much.
You´ll get Game Stock Car and Assetto Corsa for this money.

But you choose a bad example I think, the price for the DTM packs is yet OK.

Championship will be implemented to R3E eventually.
I made this example just to show the pricing for quite a lot of good tracks, and one car in every class. (so you can race every class in multiplayer)

There are a lots of better ways to combine it if you don't want to buy it all imo!
All in the matter of liking.

[heppsan]

İlk olarak Michael M. tarafından gönderildi:

o.k.
fact is:
I have bought RR-content >100€ and the "ADAC GT Masters 2013 pack" ..as well, of course...

beside other cars, the ADAC pack has

- AUDI R8 LMS Ultra GT3
- BMW Z4 GT3
- Mercedes SLS AMG GT3

And now, Sir, please explain why I have to buy the cars mentioned above "again", just with a reskin, so that I am able to race GT3 class online in multiplayer ?
That is a **** joke, really...

The multiplayer is still missing fundamental features (Race07) but it's awesome for alpha.
It has some nice features already (slow car ghost, very good penalty system, reverse/idiot driver ghost..really nice.. and the public mp gameplay I have seen so far, has always been huge fun, mature drivers....less wreckers as in Race07 ...all good for a beta...

but with all the ingame-purchases it will get harder and harder to just find players in multiplayer .... people who have the same content, people who race this game at the same time ...

league-organisation, seems to be the only way to go concerning mp if they don't change the price/pack thing, like it is now... but maybe in the future things will change.

Dedicated servers will surely come as well.
For the skins the ADAC is a licensed GT3 league, and you only need to buy one skin to join a GT3 multiplayer race. That's the price of a cheeseburger..

[AngryPostmanSthlm]

+++ Hepp

[Maddawg]

Plain and simple, the immersion is the best there is whatever the cost. Also, someone once said, "If you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it".

[DirtyChaos]

İlk olarak Michael M. tarafından gönderildi:

And now, Sir, please explain why I have to buy the cars mentioned above "again", just with a reskin, so that I am able to race GT3 class online in multiplayer ?
That is a **** joke, really...

True is, they share the same bodywork, but they have different physics. With the GT3 cars you are 2 seconds slower than with the same ADAC GT Master car.

[Michael M.]

Really? o.k. I had bought the Z4 and R8 again yesterday, beside my last missing track Indianapolis . Will check the physics out soon.
Z4 was even less then a cheesburger btw. (0,75 €)..but that was not my point ;)
I understand the issue concerning licensed content...oh well!...strange
Hopefully some day the ADAC GT Masters Series will be as completed as DTM 13/14 is.
I'd really like to see championship possibility.

Some day we will have to pay for "fuel" (consumable content) in the game/sim ;)
50 litres = 0,9 € ;) ..just kidding, well... "the hunter" anyone ? ;)

[heppsan]

They are in the making of an ADAC experience.
But surely they will also add a customizable championship in R3E as well in the future.

[DirtyChaos]

İlk olarak Michael M. tarafından gönderildi:

Really? o.k.

Yes. A few month ago there were two competitions on the same track (Nürburgring). One for the ADAC GT Masters and the other for the GT3 class. It shows the ADAC cars were 1-2s faster.

[ScouseSeattle]

DTM '13 @ $7.50 on steam sale, great way to get started with 9 tracks.

[Michael]

İlk olarak heppsan tarafından gönderildi:

I'm getting tired of all the whining about the pricing in this game!!
So I made a bit of counting.

It's not the pricing that's wrong. It's their whole business model.

They haven't developed a "F2P" game and business model. Instead they've taken an (unfinished) pay to play title and chopped it up into pieces.

They don't even have any significant "free" content.

The point about free to play is leveraging free players to create a player base. They haven't achieved that.

All of the base content, cars and tracks, should be free. These are not what makes the game valuable. It's the experience of playing that people pay for.

They've invented a fake currency, but there's no economy in the game.

If you look at games like Team Fortress 2 you'd see how Free 2 play works. TF2 don't sell the maps, they don't sell the stock weapons. Everyone, whether they've paid or not can play the game with each other. That creates thousands of full servers with people playing.

But it's moot, there are better pay to play sim titles on steam now.

Although I suppose with a DTM 2013 being a couple of quid on sale, you could argue it's priced about right - but once again, that's the legacy of simbin since the days of Race pro, instead of releasing AAA, high quality desirable content, they are developing stuff for the bargain bin.

It seems that even the change of name hasn't changed that.

[cyclicbug]

Are the discounted pack prices a limited time offer or are these ongoing prices for buying the content as packs?

I took a look and think that taking the WTCC and ADAC packs together as a minimum for a reasonable game experience, then at a cost of around £22 for both, this seems about right to me, so I hope that these discounts for buying the packs are not just for a limited time.

[Peter]

No these are on going, depending on the content you already have.
And pack discounts.