Wheel settings............Range vs. Lock

[Maddawg]

In my book Range is the distance the whell turns from full left lock to full right lock. So, what is Lock? It seems to be sensitivity. If the Lock number is increased the steering becomes twitchy, the opposite is true if the Lock number is reduced. Is Lock just a misnomer?

[Peter]

Wheel lock isn't sensitivity.

You need it for the correct ratio. How much you need to turn the steering wheel to make the wheels turn xx° .

If one complete turn of the steering wheel, 360 degrees, causes the wheels to turn 24 degrees, the ratio is then 360:24 = 15:1 (360/24=15).
So 15 is the wheel lock in this example.

[Maddawg]

Originally posted by Peter:

Wheel lock isn't sensitivity.

You need it for the correct ratio. How much you need to turn the steering wheel to make the wheels turn xx° .

If one complete turn of the steering wheel, 360 degrees, causes the wheels to turn 24 degrees, the ratio is then 360:24 = 15:1 (360/24=15).
So 15 is the wheel lock in this example.

I still think the word "Lock" is misleading. It should be "Ratio" then. Thanks for the explanation.

[Maddawg]

Originally posted by SVG BIOSPORT:

I use - for MOMO:
Time Attack - 240 / 8 = 30
Race ---------- 240 / 10 = 24
Hillclimb ------ 240 / 10 = 24

? - What - real - steering angle in Hillclimb? [/quote/]
Not sure I understand. 240 deg/8 deg=30/1 ratio? How can you drive with 8 deg of steering?

[Michael M.]

Originally posted by Maddawg:

In my book Range is the distance the whell turns from full left lock to full right lock. So, what is Lock? It seems to be sensitivity. If the Lock number is increased the steering becomes twitchy, the opposite is true if the Lock number is reduced. Is Lock just a misnomer?

this is a typical "ISI"games-physics-variable since the F1 titles (EA) ...
it's trial and error to find the right setting between lock and sensitivity, depends on hardware(+settings) as well... the ISI physics are not (and have never been) as deep as other simulations (iRacing/NR/GPL/RBR/...) .
"steering ratio" would be the right word (in other simulations) but changes done to it (in ISI based games) don't feel the same as in (AAA) simulators, as mentioned above.
ISI physics engine is totally different :)

just try different settings (sens+ "lock") until it fits your hardware and driving style
Cheers

[Maddawg]

Some one has to set up an industry standard for terminology. The terms are endless. Saturation. Linearity. Lock. Range. etc. etc. God help us!

[S Flynn]

MY thought on the subject has always been range = the amount of rotation required to achieve full lock.
Lock is the maximum angle the wheels will turn.

Even if I'm completely wrong on this, it's always worked for me :)

[Maddawg]

Originally posted by Myself9:

MY thought on the subject has always been range = the amount of rotation required to achieve full lock.
Lock is the maximum angle the wheels will turn.

Even if I'm completely wrong on this, it's always worked for me :)

Good explanation! Never thought of Lock as wheel and tire related. Makes sense though.

[S Flynn]

Originally posted by Maddawg:

Originally posted by Myself9:

MY thought on the subject has always been range = the amount of rotation required to achieve full lock.
Lock is the maximum angle the wheels will turn.

Even if I'm completely wrong on this, it's always worked for me :)

Good explanation! Never thought of Lock as wheel and tire related. Makes sense though.

I think it's pretty much the same thing Peter said, but I'm not sure because there was math involved ;)

[Peter]

If you know the steering ratio of a car, you can use this formula for the exact wheel lock in games.
The game does this automatic now.

[Maddawg]

Originally posted by Myself9:

Originally posted by Maddawg:

Good explanation! Never thought of Lock as wheel and tire related. Makes sense though.

I think it's pretty much the same thing Peter said, but I'm not sure because there was math involved ;)

Yes, it seems to be. Although he says it has nothing to do with sensitivity, and I have to disagree with that. Keep turning lock to a higher number and the steering becomes very twitchy. Now that may be caused by Speed Sensitivity? Just wondering.

[Peter]

You mean steering sensitivity? That should always be a 50%, linear, 1:1 steering.

[Maddawg]

I've got Speed Sensitivity set at 0 and Steering Sensitivity set at 100.

[Peter]

You should use 50% steering sensitivity instead and change the wheel lock to your liking.
100% makes the car wheel turn faster in the first part of the rotation and slower in the second part (not linear).
50% (linear) means that the car wheel turns at the same speed on a full rotation.

0% lets the car wheel turn slower in the first part and faster in the second part of the rotation .

The same for pedal sensitivity.

[Maddawg]

Try it, you might like it. :)

[Ser]

Interesting stuff. I feel I can't turn the ADAC cars fast enough to start a turn without being more violent than I want to be.