RaceRoom Racing Experience

RaceRoom Racing Experience

The new FFB
The new FFB is the worst I've ever felt in any sim race game. What happened???
< >
31-45 / 89 のコメントを表示
Load default Settings (T-GT my wheel), set the bottons you want and if you start to understand the new FFB - it`s fantastic, the best and one and only FFB with a correct response :steamhappy:
i did a new default profile, but i feel less now in my clubsport V2 base
The driving itself i like more now. and works great in vr
Steering Rack Force in FFB setting does nothing. Tried it with everything else at 0 except FFB force of course. No FFB at all. you can turn the wheel and it will stay exactly there. This has to be a major bug.
最近の変更はFRITZ_FANTOMが行いました; 2019年12月21日 5時55分
Protonv5 2019年12月21日 13時02分 
HannesM の投稿を引用:
Load default Settings (T-GT my wheel), set the bottons you want and if you start to understand the new FFB - it`s fantastic, the best and one and only FFB with a correct response :steamhappy:
But here's the thing: You have the T-GT, which I just purchased also. I had a Fanatec CSL Elite and the FFB after the update feels terrible on the CSL. The TM, it works great. So, go figure. A lot of people are having a lot of trouble.
SuperEgo 2019年12月21日 16時19分 
After some driving with GT3 i found a nice setting for my CSW 2.5.
At first i wasn't happy either , but after some adjusting and finetuning im very happy with the feeling.

I can post my settings if anybody is interested.
最近の変更はSuperEgoが行いました; 2019年12月22日 3時22分
Also ganz erlich Sector 3 was nehmt ihr ich will auch was von dem zeug ! 1. Der fahwerkschaden schwachsinn wie kommt man auf so ein Dünnpfiff ? das nach 1 dreher der wagen eiert und rumzittert wegen dem Fahrwerk ? Dann die Setups ? Habt ihr spass daran Menschen die Arbeit zu zerstören die sie sich Erarbeitet haben im sinne von Setupbau und co. Was ist los in euren Hause sector 3 ? Von mir ganz kla finger weg vom spiel und wenn euch das nicht gefällt was die Treiben Investitions stopp mehr gibts da nicht zu sagen. Und sector 3 Räumt mal bei euch auf und lasst nicht jedes inkompetente Subjekt bei euch arbeiten !
\/ GG 139 AlphaPredator の投稿を引用:
Also ganz erlich Sector 3 was nehmt ihr ich will auch was von dem zeug ! 1. Der fahwerkschaden schwachsinn wie kommt man auf so ein Dünnpfiff ? das nach 1 dreher der wagen eiert und rumzittert wegen dem Fahrwerk ? Dann die Setups ? Habt ihr spass daran Menschen die Arbeit zu zerstören die sie sich Erarbeitet haben im sinne von Setupbau und co. Was ist los in euren Hause sector 3 ? Von mir ganz kla finger weg vom spiel und wenn euch das nicht gefällt was die Treiben Investitions stopp mehr gibts da nicht zu sagen. Und sector 3 Räumt mal bei euch auf und lasst nicht jedes inkompetente Subjekt bei euch arbeiten !

Damage system works just fine. If your steering wheels shakes after a hit its more than just a slight touch m8. A slight touch of the wall gives minor suspension damage.
\/ GG 139 AlphaPredator の投稿を引用:
Also ganz erlich Sector 3 was nehmt ihr ich will auch was von dem zeug ! 1. Der fahwerkschaden schwachsinn wie kommt man auf so ein Dünnpfiff ? das nach 1 dreher der wagen eiert und rumzittert wegen dem Fahrwerk ? Dann die Setups ? Habt ihr spass daran Menschen die Arbeit zu zerstören die sie sich Erarbeitet haben im sinne von Setupbau und co. Was ist los in euren Hause sector 3 ? Von mir ganz kla finger weg vom spiel und wenn euch das nicht gefällt was die Treiben Investitions stopp mehr gibts da nicht zu sagen. Und sector 3 Räumt mal bei euch auf und lasst nicht jedes inkompetente Subjekt bei euch arbeiten !

Also so viel Unsinn hab ich schon lange nicht mehr gelesen.
Man kann ja eine Meinung zu einer Race-Sim und dessen div. Teile haben, aber dann sollte man zumindest im Ansatz etwas sachlich bleiben ;-)

Und das nach einem Update in dieser Größenordnung die Setups sowieso neu erstellt werden müssen, sollte irgendwie logisch und klar sein.
So kompliziert ist das erstellen eines neuen Setups nun auch wieder nicht, vorausgesetzt man weiß was man tut, aber das scheint in deinem Fall nicht ganz zu zutreffen :steambored:

My TMX is working great, I read S3 recommendations, followed them, and am now enjoying a superb racing experience. It's regrettable that some folks are struggling after the update; I hope they are able to get things sorted out soon.
sbtm 2019年12月22日 17時49分 
wow... 90% here behave like a diva... or like a toddler. lol.. mama my ffb is different now I hate raceroom... booo.. uninstall...
instead of actually reading and following the new instructions...

1) it was said: "make a new controller profile using one of the presets." If you have done this you should be good.

2) "due to big changes to the physics your old car setups won't work properly anymore".. and yet here are people crying that their setups don't work. Did you really think major physics changes won't affect your setups that were made for old physics?.. not seriously...

So make a new controller profile using a preset, leave the settings ALONE except "Steering Force Intensity" (<--- that's what you use for overall strength). Go on the track, make sure no old setup is loaded for the car, reset the FFB multiplier setting in the setup menu and drive. Now make little tweaks like vertical force or lateral load. Steering rack is not recommended to put over 50%, it can give some weird feelings.

Minimum force for Direct Drive wheels to 0 (ZERO) .. this setting is meant for bealt or gear driven wheels that usually have a deadzone around the center so that it cannot present you the low forces. Setting minimum force up will AMPLIFY low forces to a degree that the wheel overcomes the deadzone (with my old T300 I had it around 5%, Logitech wheels need much more.. like 12%). Use the ingame FFB meter to finetune the setting, you can also monitor clipping and adjust FFB or multipliers accordingly.

Direct Drive Wheels have no deadzone so leave it at zero or you will lose dynamic range.

Make Sure "Slip Effect, Engine Vibrations, Kerb Vibrations, Shift Effect, Collision Effect" are all set to 0. These are canned effects and shouldn't be neccessary with the new physics driven FFB. Or at least only use small doses if you need a bit stronger kerbs. For Direct Drive I recommend setting them all to 0.

If you have strange things going on check if "Inverted FFB" is toggled on or off. Change it to on/off and test again. I usually always had it set to "off".. with my T300 and with Simucube.


But then again you could just go to AC and enjoy the canned effects there. But I prefer physics driven FFB. Maybe it's now to simulate-ish for some of you guys.

...jesus christ...
最近の変更はsbtmが行いました; 2019年12月22日 17時53分
sbtm の投稿を引用:
wow... 90% here behave like a diva... or like a toddler. lol.. mama my ffb is different now I hate raceroom... booo.. uninstall...
instead of actually reading and following the new instructions...

1) it was said: "make a new controller profile using one of the presets." If you have done this you should be good.

2) "due to big changes to the physics your old car setups won't work properly anymore".. and yet here are people crying that their setups don't work. Did you really think major physics changes won't affect your setups that were made for old physics?.. not seriously...

So make a new controller profile using a preset, leave the settings ALONE except "Steering Force Intensity" (<--- that's what you use for overall strength). Go on the track, make sure no old setup is loaded for the car, reset the FFB multiplier setting in the setup menu and drive. Now make little tweaks like vertical force or lateral load. Steering rack is not recommended to put over 50%, it can give some weird feelings.

Minimum force for Direct Drive wheels to 0 (ZERO) .. this setting is meant for bealt or gear driven wheels that usually have a deadzone around the center so that it cannot present you the low forces. Setting minimum force up will AMPLIFY low forces to a degree that the wheel overcomes the deadzone (with my old T300 I had it around 5%, Logitech wheels need much more.. like 12%). Use the ingame FFB meter to finetune the setting, you can also monitor clipping and adjust FFB or multipliers accordingly.

Direct Drive Wheels have no deadzone so leave it at zero or you will lose dynamic range.

Make Sure "Slip Effect, Engine Vibrations, Kerb Vibrations, Shift Effect, Collision Effect" are all set to 0. These are canned effects and shouldn't be neccessary with the new physics driven FFB. Or at least only use small doses if you need a bit stronger kerbs. For Direct Drive I recommend setting them all to 0.

If you have strange things going on check if "Inverted FFB" is toggled on or off. Change it to on/off and test again. I usually always had it set to "off".. with my T300 and with Simucube.


But then again you could just go to AC and enjoy the canned effects there. But I prefer physics driven FFB. Maybe it's now to simulate-ish for some of you guys.

...jesus christ...
I dont know where you get the 90% behaving like a Diva get from?
Lot of people just complaining that they EVEN if they do all that having a FFB what dosn´t feel the way they used to or they like.
If it would just feel like my streetcar i wouldnt complain. But i can feel over and understeer much better in my car wheel then in game.
And since the wheel is the only way i can get information about my car in game the missing feedback is what i complain!
Vader 2019年12月23日 7時17分 
sbtm の投稿を引用:
wow... 90% here behave like a diva... or like a toddler. lol.. mama my ffb is different now I hate raceroom... booo.. uninstall...
instead of actually reading and following the new instructions...


...jesus christ...

Starts a post with the point of people complaining....by complaining themself.

I would classify this as good humour.
sbtm 2019年12月23日 7時49分 
Raptor の投稿を引用:
sbtm の投稿を引用:
wow... 90% here behave like a diva... or like a toddler. lol.. mama my ffb is different now I hate raceroom... booo.. uninstall...
instead of actually reading and following the new instructions...


...jesus christ...

Starts a post with the point of people complaining....by complaining themself.

I would classify this as good humour.

it's not the complaining itself, it's just how they complain... like a toddler that doesn't get his toy or so. complaining itself is ok. And maybe 90% was exaggerated, I only worked 1 and a half sides of comments ;)



mart1968 の投稿を引用:
I dont know where you get the 90% behaving like a Diva get from?
Lot of people just complaining that they EVEN if they do all that having a FFB what dosn´t feel the way they used to or they like.
If it would just feel like my streetcar i wouldnt complain. But i can feel over and understeer much better in my car wheel then in game.
And since the wheel is the only way i can get information about my car in game the missing feedback is what i complain!

it should work out of the box if you really follow these instructions unless you have an OSW still running on MMOS. Which wheel are you using?

The problem is that people want the FFB that they're used to, but if we always stick to what we know or like we will never make progress. That we are used to a certain FFB doesn't mean it's correct or the new FFB is a mess. It actually is way more realistic than the FFB before.

And you're always free to tweak the settings to your likings (lateral force...) but it shouldn't be neccessary.

Also: your street car is not a race car, it is different, it has softer dampers and springs, usually no anti-roll-bar, different suspension geometry etc... all this emphasizes the oversteer and understeer sensation in the wheel, so you can't compare them.
Vader 2019年12月23日 8時51分 
sbtm の投稿を引用:
Raptor の投稿を引用:

Starts a post with the point of people complaining....by complaining themself.

I would classify this as good humour.

it's not the complaining itself, it's just how they complain... like a toddler that doesn't get his toy or so. complaining itself is ok. And maybe 90% was exaggerated, I only worked 1 and a half sides of comments ;)

Its all good,just made me laugh.

Also i would like to point out that you were informative to those that did not know how to carry out the new steps instructed by RRE
Pyramide 2019年12月23日 10時08分 
Don't forget that this is a game after all. In a real car, you don't only have the forces of the steering wheel, but you also feel how your body is pressed into the seat and you have rotation sensors in your ear - that's 6 additional axes of movement. In a game, if you don't want to lose those informations (and you don't have the luxury of owning a full motion racing simulator), they need to be compressed into one axis and merged with the normal forces of the steering wheel. You may call it "fake effects", but in my opinion the old raceroom did an excellent job of giving me a combined feedback of those 1+6 axes.

Yes, you can say that it is more realistic if you remove any force that does not come straight from the steering wheel. But that means the average player has less information which makes it harder and less fun to drive. Just like you could also say "remove all HUD and bloody screen effects from first person shooters because you don't have those in real life either", but that would also make it harder to play.

In my opinion it would be the best if there was a setting to toggle between "realistic ffb" and "classic/additional effects ffb" so that everybody can pick the setting they like best. Just like there is already the option to for example turn on ABS/TC even if the car you're driving does not have those in real life. I personally always leave that setting in factory mode, but I can fully understand if other people have more fun with driving aids enabled.
< >
31-45 / 89 のコメントを表示
ページ毎: 1530 50

投稿日: 2019年12月12日 14時26分
投稿数: 89