Ruego Al Alba Objectively the Best?

[Yar?n]

I mean, i'd say every weapon is just as good but then I fight a boss that doesn't hurt you when you touch them and I do two hits into a powered-up plunge and it DELETES their health bar.

It's a bit too strong, honestly.

[Richie]

Yeah, some think the Veredicto is the most overpowered but I personally think Ruego AI Alba is definitely the best. If you have it maxed out and set up your altar pieces catering to its needs, you can basically always be in blood pact mode while regenerating health you would have lost to procc blood pact. The DPS is probably better since the mystical damage has its own damage in addition to the non mystical meanwhile the damage of the sword itself will hit for 30-40 (non crit and maxed out). The dodging windows with it are more than sufficient and reliable if you don't overcomitt. This definitely is the best balanced weapon if not just the best overall.

Gonna have to see what speed runners do to see what the best weapon to start with is going to be. If you start with the other weapons first, you can get their 2nd tier upgrades faster but if you start with Ruego you can get its 2nd tier a little later and also double jump.

[Yar?n]

Originally posted by Richie:

Yeah, some think the Veredicto is the most overpowered but I personally think Ruego AI Alba is definitely the best. If you have it maxed out and set up your altar pieces catering to its needs, you can basically always be in blood pact mode while regenerating health you would have lost to procc blood pact. The DPS is probably better since the mystical damage has its own damage in addition to the non mystical meanwhile the damage of the sword itself will hit for 30-40 (non crit and maxed out). The dodging windows with it are more than sufficient and reliable if you don't overcomitt. This definitely is the best balanced weapon if not just the best overall.

Gonna have to see what speed runners do to see what the best weapon to start with is going to be. If you start with the other weapons first, you can get their 2nd tier upgrades faster but if you start with Ruego you can get its 2nd tier a little later and also double jump.

From my testing it looks like the dps depends on the enemy. I think some enemies have weaknesses and speedrunners will exploit that. But generally, they will definitely use Ruego al Alba. Three plunge attacks on Eviterno's first phase and he's dead in 15 seconds MAX with a jack of all trades build.

[Richie]

Oh yeah, you're completely right. I forgot about weaknesses lol. I do think Alba is what you can easily run all game much better than the others. Veredicto felt really slow to me with a lot of windows to be vulnerable, and rapier and dagger set up doesn't provide much coverage. My tier list is probably : Alba, Rapier and dagger then Veredicto. Veredicto is powerful but so are Alba, and rapier( if you can keep lightning procced) minus the slow speed.

[𝙷𝚘𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚊]

Indeed. I used plunge attack A LOT. Shame alba doesn't have mea culpa's thrust attack and mid air upward slash.

[orian34]

Originally posted by Rads:

Indeed. I used plunge attack A LOT. Shame alba doesn't have mea culpa's thrust attack and mid air upward slash.

That's for the sarcen. I think it's a good proof of balance if we have people claiming each of the weapons is the best.

[Richie]

Definitely. I think they really split the weapon archetypes very well. Each thing lacking something major from each other and all are useful in their own ways and scenarios. For example, fighting those small guys with rapier is really tough but using alba or veredicto on them is OP. Then for those flying enemies (the ones that shoots the spears) I found Rapier was the best for them so you can keep hitting them without them getting pushed out of FOV.

[DoremianCleff]

Veredicto is easy to use in early game, because wide arch for aerial attacks covers a lot of angles and allows for easy kills on flying enemies and those tiny annoying men. Double hits also help a lot, since you can bump the damage high enough for 1 hit kills pretty early. And it make certain areas completelly risk free, like Choir of Thorns. But lack parry and dash attack makes it a bit cluncky. Despite it's high stun value, it's actually not the best for finishers.

Ruego Al Abla is most "familiar" because it's pretty much Mia Culpa. It got some of the better combos and well balanced for most situations. I rarelly used blood pact and it was my most underused weapon, because it's MIa Culpa. It's just mia Culpa. I have 55 hours of playing with Mia Culpa. It got both parry and dash attack (in the air), but nothing that makes it particulary good for aerial combat, other than nice coverage. Has best stats for finishers,

Sarmiento and Centella is most difficult to use and i found it's gimmick hard to utilize, unless you can avoid getting hit, BUT in late game, durning certain fights and specific enemies, you can pretty much do a no hit kill, because how busted dash slash is. Kinda difficult to use in the air and some of the directional attacks are slower than normals, but it got a lot of versatility, especially if you use a lot of aerial attacks and dashes. I am pretty sure you can't get finishers with it tho.

As a side note: it doesn't matter what weapon you use if you remember about prayers. Unless you are going for a full guilt run, you can get a lot of damage on bosses through prayers, so in a weird way, Veredicto with fervor bonuses could be the best weapon, because some bosses are trivialized by casting Aubade to the Sleepless Iron.

[Richie]

Originally posted by DoremianCleff:

As a side note: it doesn't matter what weapon you use if you remember about prayers. Unless you are going for a full guilt run, you can get a lot of damage on bosses through prayers, so in a weird way, Veredicto with fervor bonuses could be the best weapon, because some bosses are trivialized by casting Aubade to the Sleepless Iron.

Oh wow, that is a really good point on Veredicto

[WTFlo]

Originally posted by DoremianCleff:

Veredicto is easy to use in early game, because wide arch for aerial attacks covers a lot of angles and allows for easy kills on flying enemies and those tiny annoying men. Double hits also help a lot, since you can bump the damage high enough for 1 hit kills pretty early. And it make certain areas completelly risk free, like Choir of Thorns.

This. Especially the stone enemies and flyers in early areas melt super fast with Veredicto and take ages with Umbrella & Nutella.

Originally posted by DoremianCleff:

Ruego Al Abla is most "familiar" because it's pretty much Mia Culpa.

That's why I didn't use it that much, honestly. Come on, we finally get 2 new weapons and people telling me I shall go with the sword again, after almost 200 hours of using it in B1? Nope, thanks.

Originally posted by DoremianCleff:

As a side note: it doesn't matter what weapon you use if you remember about prayers. Unless you are going for a full guilt run, you can get a lot of damage on bosses through prayers, so in a weird way, Veredicto with fervor bonuses could be the best weapon, because some bosses are trivialized by casting Aubade to the Sleepless Iron.

And this. Embrace the mace, speak the quick verse, kiss thine altarpieces and never go back to your old, sinful ways. I especially liked that bloodwheel spinning on the ground. You can cast it midair and it will suspend you in the air and shoot down diagonally. This was quite useful against some enemies and even bosses, as it allows you to stay in the air longer and get in a powerful attack at the same time. It's also quite cheap. I didn't even cheese with time stop and invincibility, I imagine this could be super broken with constant supply of fervor.

Honestly, I didn't have that much fun with a mace weapon since Brigitte was first introduced to Overwatch and completely ruined the game for a while... ^^