I'm sitting here watching some pretentious guy talk about "existence" and "knowledge" for what feels like an hour

[ViciousJawa]

Can we not do this again if there's a sequel? I love the world, the puzzles, the exploration, but these philosophical quotes and especially videos make me want to put a bullet through my skull, it's awful.

[erekose_handy]

It's true that if your sympathies are to western analytic philosophy (and I am), this game will annoy you. Blow doesn't appear too sympathetic to reductionism, that's not what he's going for. Sometimes that means the quotes he uses are, well, just a tad out of context.

Luckily there's enough good stuff to keep going.

[Tiger_Walts]

The only bad thing about the videos is that the first one made me yearn for the days when the Open University aired on the TV. Far better watching than all the 'reality' ♥♥♥♥♥ that occupies the same time slots today.

Also, I don't blame anyone for bouncing off the Tarkovsky one. The glacial pacing doesn't suit modern watching sensibilities. I need to be in the right frame of mind to watch his stuff.

[genoforprez]

İlk olarak erekose_handy tarafından gönderildi:

It's true that if your sympathies are to western analytic philosophy (and I am), this game will annoy you. Blow doesn't appear too sympathetic to reductionism, that's not what he's going for. Sometimes that means the quotes he uses are, well, just a tad out of context.

Luckily there's enough good stuff to keep going.

It's funny that I have now seen some claim that the game will annoy people who are "sympathetic to western analytic philosophy" and others claim it will annoy people who are sympathetic to christian theism.

Maybe the game annoys some people because not every single quote caters to their preferred ideological experience.

[Starbug]

Are the quotes given a context within the game? or is it philosophical wankery for the express purpose of giving the game a highbrow veneer?

[Cocyx The Gay Skeleton]

İlk olarak Starbug tarafından gönderildi:

Are the quotes given a context within the game? or is it philosophical wankery for the express purpose of giving the game a highbrow veneer?

it's contextual to the themes of the puzzles (usually involving discovering a new perspective or understanding a new "law" for the solution)

[genoforprez]

İlk olarak Starbug tarafından gönderildi:

Are the quotes given a context within the game? or is it philosophical wankery for the express purpose of giving the game a highbrow veneer?

It's contextual to the entire theme of the game. The whole game is about perspective. All of the puzzles are about perspective. All of the quotes are in some way about perspective. Just as you stare at the shadow of a tree branch and think about what the shadow could mean in seven different ways for the purpose of a puzzle, you might also hear a quote that encourages you to contemplate a glass of wine and the hundred different ways you could perceive the wine (as food, as chemical, as a cultural item, as a collection of atoms, etc) and the glass that contains it (as container, as distilled rock, as a cultural item, as a collection of atoms, etc) and what all of that means and how it relates to you, if you care at all.

Some people are apparently unable or unwilling to appreciate how the quotes are related to the rest of the experience. They're not just thrown in "for a highbrow veneer".

[sarahnorthway]

I enjoyed every one of the audio files, I love the philosophy in the game and unraveling all its messages and how they elegantly reflect the puzzles you're solving. The Feynman and Burke videos are amazing and the Tarkovsky clip with the candle was haunting and funny when you realize that's kind of what you've been doing for the last 20 hours.

But I wanted to punch that "what is time really" guy in the mouth for the entire time he was talking. I think it was his manner of speaking, like he was trying to hypnotize you into buying his self-help books. Does anyone know who he is? Also the "stop looking" woman. I'd like to know more about their kind of bizarre philosophies.

[baer]

imo this game needs more memes. it's way too 3deep5me and i dont want to have to think about things when im playing my vbideo gams. i petition that we get some good doge meme in this game

[baer]

maybe rick roll at the end

[baer]

imagine: u step into the video gam, walk aroudn the corner and BOOM the first puzzle is a giant DOGE HEAD

so puzzel very hard much think LOL

[genoforprez]

No, let's not do that.

[ViciousJawa]

İlk olarak i hate video gams tarafından gönderildi:

imagine: u step into the video gam, walk aroudn the corner and BOOM the first puzzle is a giant DOGE HEAD

so puzzel very hard much think LOL

you should put more effort into your strawman jokes

[erekose_handy]

İlk olarak genoforprez tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak erekose_handy tarafından gönderildi:

It's true that if your sympathies are to western analytic philosophy (and I am), this game will annoy you. Blow doesn't appear too sympathetic to reductionism, that's not what he's going for. Sometimes that means the quotes he uses are, well, just a tad out of context.

Luckily there's enough good stuff to keep going.

It's funny that I have now seen some claim that the game will annoy people who are "sympathetic to western analytic philosophy" and others claim it will annoy people who are sympathetic to christian theism.

Maybe the game annoys some people because not every single quote caters to their preferred ideological experience.

It will annoy both, depending on your exact type of christian theism. They at least admit as much about Russell and the Positivists, a tad dismissively, in the "story" logs

If your favouite Philosopher is Rodolf Carnap, like me, you're in for a LOT of hours of opposing dialogue.

If your Favourite Philosopher is the more hard-headed, worldly Christians like Erasmus or even Pelagius, you'll likewise be annoyed at the endless parade of Protestant or mystic christian thought.

The game is pretty much the opposite of Nietzsche. You'll find no will to power here.

This is partially because it refuses to use quotes emphasising conflict and questioning or any hostility (though you'll find some mildly harsh anti materialist quotes.), and to a large extent, even Verificationist science is a constant, unrelenting attack on all other systems, and on itself.

The game is in general not a fan of pure reductionism and materialism, and a strong supporter of Holism and Eastern perspective. Not due to any inherant bias on the part of the developers, but because it's hard to put philosophies that emphasise challenge, breaking apart, and constant methodical attack and hostility, in a game focused on calm immersion, synthesis, and sudden epiphany. The closest they get is a Zen quote, really.

[SHUFFLE𝗥𝗨𝗦𝗛̲̳̳̳]

İlk olarak ViciousJawa tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak i hate video gams tarafından gönderildi:

imagine: u step into the video gam, walk aroudn the corner and BOOM the first puzzle is a giant DOGE HEAD

so puzzel very hard much think LOL

you should put more effort into your strawman jokes

I TIP MEH FEDORA TO U GOOD SIR. EPIC FEDORA FAIL xD

[SHUFFLE𝗥𝗨𝗦𝗛̲̳̳̳]

[sees traffic sign depicting pedestrians walking] Oh, wow, great. Yet another 2deep4u message for fedora tippers