Need help with some environmental puzzles (Jungle + Town obelisks)

[Mike]

I would like to finish the game without spoilers.
So I would like to get just some general tips about how to find these puzzles.
I spent 3 hours trying to find the last jungle environmental puzzle without success.
https://i.imgur.com/dR5ic3y.png
I tried to use the "triangle" shape as a guide, but that didn't helped me at all.

I also couldn't find that one, on the town obelisk:
https://imgur.com/hK3Iwrs
This particular one makes me concerned, because I don't know if it is tied to some movie I still need to unlock (I have 2 left to unlock. I assume one is on shipwreck and the other is on challenge puzzles).

[Hairy Phil]

Hints:

First one: There's no trick to it, it's just among the others you've already done in the jungle trees. You'd find it eventually, but if you don't want to spend another 3 hours searching, the solution is here: https://www.ign.com/wikis/the-witness/Monastery_Obelisk

Second one: You can't do that one yet.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Hairy Phil:

Hints:

First one: There's no trick to it, it's just among the others you've already done in the jungle trees. You'd find it eventually, but if you don't want to spend another 3 hours searching, the solution is here: https://www.ign.com/wikis/the-witness/Monastery_Obelisk

Second one: You can't do that one yet.

My god. I can't find it.
I'm so close finishing the game without seeing solutions that I think I will regret immensely if I do.
Can you tell me hints like if I should be looking up or down?
If it is in front or behind the bird puzzle barrier?
What color is it?
Thank you so much for your help.

[Hairy Phil]

The green start point is within sight of a zen gate.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Hairy Phil:

The green start point is within sight of a zen gate.

Found it. But I kinda saw a bit of the walkthrough.
The real problem was:
This puzzle is kind of miscategorized in the obelisk. It should be in the same group of other puzzles I already solved before. I was trying to find something completely different and that's why I would never find it by myself.
But I appreciate your help a lot!

[Hairy Phil]

It's not grouped with the others because the face of the obelisk indicates the specific direction.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Hairy Phil:

It's not grouped with the others because the face of the obelisk indicates the specific direction.

I know.
But the green start point is in the same place where the other puzzle group is located.
I understand why the developers made this decision, but it kinda of confused me a bit.