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Seperating the correct sounds from the "herring" sounds on this puzzle was quite difficult for me. Plus, timing is a key factor since the sounds loop out of sync at varying speeds.
You sorta have to wait for the "sweet spot".
Strangely enough, my lady found it to be simple. But she has excellent ears and task-switches at a near godlike level.
It's doable without brute force but extremely difficult for someone such as I. I feel your pain.
As far as I'm aware, my hearing is still okay, and I had two sense checkers have a listen too. I don't have "perfect pitch" or anything like that, but I hear only two sounds in that puzzle: Bird cheeping, and some kind of faster trill like a songbird.
The faster trill has the correct number of beats and of the correct length ordering, but the solution pitches are not correct. Meanwhile bird sound has reverse ordering on length, but reverse ordering on pitch doesn't work either.
Unless my sound system is busted and isn't playing a third noise of another pitch (not inconceivable, given how much more challenging the shadow puzzles are on low settings), then I just don't see how the actual solution follows the rules set out by the puzzle type at all.
Meanwhile, I can observe a solution that seems to work perfectly correctly with the evidence that the game just doesn't like.
I'm completely certain now. The solution is just not correct. Straight up. Jonathan Blow ****ed up the tremolo and the puzzle is wrong.
The following URL is a screenie of an audacity read of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSeMVBIhJb8 starting from 2:00 to 2:02. The actual trill is in the highlighted section. If you aren't satisfied by the clear progession in the image (already pretty damning IMO), try a similar rip and slow it down to 0.2x speed, it is PAINFULLY obvious that it starts low, goes up, up again, then drops back down.
Image:
http://i.imgur.com/nZulfWt.jpg
That really burns my ass that I wasted all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time on that puzzle only to have the correct solution the entire time.
Here's a screenshot of how to get a clear picture of the frequencies in Audacity:
http://imgur.com/RDnHNrq
If you are hearing the last note as lower than the previous, I don't know what to say. It's possible that your sound card, audio settings, or headphones/speakers may be tuned in such a way that it is cutting out the main frequencies of the final note, leaving you just hearing the low residual harmonics.
However, on the matter of the puzzle being wrong, I think I've got it there, and I think if you play it back nice and slow, you will sympathize with my complaint.
It doesn't really show up in the image either of us posted (where it's ambiguous), but in the audio itself (where it is completely unambiguous) there are four distinct notes PRIOR to the last, high pitched note you indicate as part of the puzzle solution, which is the fifth note in what is supposed to be a four note solution. The first full "period" of the sinusoidal shapes is a distinctly different note from the next three. I guarantee you will notice instantly if you slow the playback down.
http://i.imgur.com/taPkbyl.jpg
You can even observe that the pitches in the spectrograph of the sounds prior to and after to what you identify as the second note (and I identify as the third) are noticeably different in the image (and this is SUPER unambiguous in the audio if you cut them together).
This is where I got confused (or rather, where I think it's entirely fair to say that the puzzle was busted). I was listening very keenly for the three beats that precede what you identify as the third note (but which is probably better described as the fourth) and trying to split the pitch (since the first is lightning fast, like a thirty second note), and just ignored the fifth note because there are already three distinct pitches in the four notes prior to it. Then, figuring that the first was short, the second was short, and the fourth sounded marginally longer than the third, it fit the "waveform" in the puzzle, which is sort of a stretch, but no more than claiming that official notes 1 and 3 are the same pitch, and much less than claiming there are only four notes.
Unless you were intended to study the spectrograph of the file (in which I think it is still dubious to claim there are only four pitches), and not to track individual notes (where I think it is pretty much a slam dunk that it's wrong), I just don't see a good way to dispute that he blew it with that puzzle.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ajm1TgEmgX
Five notes. I think it's so clear that it's essentially inarguable.
Every single one of the people I managed to rope into indulging me called five notes, without exception. The only prompt I gave over Steam was "how many distinct notes do you hear?" and the only prompt I gave over skype was the same.
This puzzle is borked.
I think you should explore the possibility that the rest is just your confirmation bias (and I would totally allow for the possibility that it's mine, however remote and dubious given the crushing weight of the evidence, if I hadn't gotten so many unprompted second opinions and they hadn't been unanimous). I mean, to be fair, it is pretty insane that he would make a mistake like that. But its certainly not impossible that in 523 puzzles, one of them would be dumb, and it just so happens that this is exactly the case.
If the solution had been the correct one and I was in here trying to insist that there were four notes, not five, you would be busy typing about what a complete idiot I am for missing the fifth note.
Did you also give them the slowed down version?
I never called you an idiot at all. I understand that sound-based puzzles are frustrating because not everyone hears them the same way.
If you care enough about this though, would you mind marking or splitting the file in audacity where you hear each note? That would help me understand what you're hearing.
Not correct on any count. I heard it very, very clearly in realtime, hence my confusion at the puzzle. If I'd never heard it, I'd never have had an issue with this puzzle in the first place. You're right about the ambiguity in the image, but my guess is that's some limitation of the program. In the actual audio, IMO it is very clear, and it is damningly, inarguably present when slowed. That's not a tremolo; there is no varying, there's just a quick simple motion up in pitch without reverberation. It may have been intended as a tremolo way, but if so it was not executed correctly. If you took it to any musician, I would bet my socks that they'd claim it's a third second note.
After producing the slowed down version, that's all I gave them. Same effect without, however. I'm a little astonished that no one has posted in this thread agreeing.
Ah, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you did. I was just making a figure of speech. I genuinely believe that confirmation bias is at work here, because that's a great reason to get something wrong, and there is no other sane explanation I can come up with so why would I look elsewhere.
Anyway, I don't mean to imply that you seem like anything except a perfectly reasonable person (though as far as the argument is concerned, IMO I give myself a commanding edge), and while I'm not in a position to take a second stab at this right this minute, I'll try to do so over the next few days.
We become so obsessed with "I am right and whoever disagrees is an idiot" that we barricade ourselves in corners from which there is no escape.
If the OP didn't use all the strong language and didn't accuse J.Blow of messing up, it would be easy to say "Oh, sorry, didn't notice this, my bad"
But since the OP spent so much time swearing and arguing and essentially stomping on the authors of the game, his brain is now afraid to admit an error. So he's gonna remain upset and barricaded in his little corner of wrongness...
I will admit that 'tremelo' may not have been the correct term, as I'm not a musician. I am pretty good at hearing pitch, and it sounds to me how a perfectly normal bird call or whistle would start. Although I can understand that you would trust your own ears first.
It does make a difference, and I doubt they all would have given the same answer.
I went ahead and created these audio files: If you want to, just tell me how many beats you hear in each one. Don't have to look at it in audacity or anything, just tell me what you hear:
PART A: http://vocaroo.com/i/s049CTY1LmPM
PART B: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1FMkZISGPBu
PART C: http://vocaroo.com/i/s05o5gNLR6zu
PART D: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1HjeDsoczOy
Nothing of the kind. I'm right. I've given you evidence that leaves no other interpretation. It is devastating in its objectivity, frankly. Think back to a time when you were talking with four people, and they were all wrong about something and you were not. That's me, now, in this position. Not only that, but I was actually quite civil about it with everyone I spoke to, so I have no idea what spurred that bit of foolishness on.
He ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up, and you are such an enormous fanboy that you cannot face this. This small, tiny, miniscule fault is unacceptable to you.
Anyway, all done now. Smashed the challenge room in a few minutes. Enjoyed the game very much, but you would all do well to understand that nothing is above reproach.