Swamp: Extremely difficult puzzle

[GamingRevenant (YT)]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=609633366
I've been stuck for the past 32 minutes on this puzzle and I just can't solve it. Can someone help out? I accept the answer straight away, it's too finnecky to my liking to earn to be explained.

[hibikir]

The piece you have to remove is the bottom left one of the S

[GamingRevenant (YT)]

Originally posted by hibikir:

The piece you have to remove is the bottom left one of the S

Ok thank you. Do you know the solution to this one? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=609646915

I've brought in my dad, sister and mother but we're unable to solve it even with the 4 of us. This is clearly the most difficult puzzle of them all and I feel that the next one is going to be even more difficult :(

[GamingRevenant (YT)]

I hate this. People keep telling go back to the tutorials go back to the tutorials, but clearly some tutorials are leaving things out intentionally for you to discover by accident, clearly. Because I have solved all the damn tutorials on the entire island, took the boat to each specific symbol, found plenty of secrets yet it's not enough to solve this one puzzle... Even with my entire family we can't solve, so it clearly means that the rules are not well conveyed, except for the exceptionally gifted people :(

I mean, all of a sudden we a get a blue square, which tells us not whether we can remove 4 blocks randomly somewhere, or only in block shape. It just doesn't tell you... How are we supposed to know what the hell the actual reasoning is behind it.

[giga-ganon]

Resolved the first puzzle of this thread without any problem!

But now, the next one... I'm at the same puzzle! But i think we can only remove a square shape composed by these four little squares! I tried by removing 4 randomly, and it didn't work with multiple solution! Anyway, if someone could give an hint, that would be great

[ShortFuse]

I hated this one and completed the whole swamp section. This one made the least amount of sense to me. The next one is clear and makes sense.

I got it by somewhat trial and error. Basically, there are 16 squares, 12 occupied, 4 omitted. This means the solution is 8 squares. Create 8 squares that encapsulate the 4 figures.

The original one you posted has multiple solutions.

[ZiGGY^]

Solution: U(p) R(ight) R R U U L(eft) U R R -- Explanation: bottom 2 shapes swap places creating a square at the bottom that can be removed without breaking the shape

[giga-ganon]

Originally posted by ShortFuse:

I hated this one and completed the whole swamp section. This one made the least amount of sense to me. The next one is clear and makes sense.

I got it by somewhat trial and error. Basically, there are 16 squares, 12 occupied, 4 omitted. This means the solution is 8 squares. Create 8 squares that encapsulate the 3 figures.

The original one you posted has multiple solutions.

so you can omit 4 square randomly? It doesn't have to be a 4 square shaped square?

[drh]

1) Now that you have the blue "negative" pieces, you can overlap the placements of your yellow pieces. This is only possible if your final placement for the blue piece completely covers the overlap of the yellow pieces. In other words, if you place two yellow pieces overlapping the same square, your placement for the blue piece MUST also include that square.

2) With that out of the way, I believe the key to this puzzle lies in how you place two of the yellow pieces such that they include BOTH the bottom-left yellow piece and the bottom-right yellow piece. With 3 pieces, their is really only 8 ways of doing so, taking care to place your blue piece over any overlap as per 1). Once that is done, trying to place the third will soon reveal which of those options is the viable one.

[ShortFuse]

Originally posted by giga-ganon:

Originally posted by ShortFuse:

I hated this one and completed the whole swamp section. This one made the least amount of sense to me. The next one is clear and makes sense.

I got it by somewhat trial and error. Basically, there are 16 squares, 12 occupied, 4 omitted. This means the solution is 8 squares. Create 8 squares that encapsulate the 3 figures.

The original one you posted has multiple solutions.

so you can omit 4 square randomly? It doesn't have to be a 4 square shaped square? And shouldn't it be 9 square? The one with the blue don't need to be included? I included them in every previous puzzle

I can't remember exactly right now, but I don't think it has to be square shaped. The next one explains overlapping better, go figure.

Edit: it is square shaped, just you have to overlap Yellow pieces. I see it now. Again, next one is clearer. Also, I believe there is only one solution where you can box 8 squares and the 4 figures.

[giga-ganon]

Originally posted by Psykes:

1) Now that you have the blue "negative" pieces, you can overlap the placements of your yellow pieces. This is only possible if your final placement for the blue piece completely covers the overlap of the yellow pieces. In other words, if you place two yellow pieces overlapping the same square, your placement for the blue piece MUST also include that square.

2) With that out of the way, I believe the key to this puzzle lies in how you place two of the yellow pieces such that they include BOTH the bottom-left yellow piece and the bottom-right yellow piece. With 3 pieces, their is really only 8 ways of doing so, taking care to place your blue piece over any overlap as per 1). Once that is done, trying to place the third will soon reveal which of those options is the viable one.

okay just solved, it make sense if you think in 3d, wasn't exploring the possibility to overlap them! but that was hard and unique! thanks! in comparison, i solved the next one on the first try

[drh]

To try and clarify how the overlapping works, imagine that yellow blocks are a +1 and blue blocks are a -1. Wherever you place a yellow block, add 1 to those squares. And whereever you place a blue block, minus 1 from those squares. As such if 2 yellow blocks overlap the same square, it would have a total of 2. If there are 3 overlapping, the total would be 3. If you add the blue blocks in, where you have 1 blue and 1 yellow overlap, the total is 0. Similarly, 2 yellow and 1 blue = a total of 1.

Finally, a viable solution has only blocks with 1s and 0s and has all 1s and 0s completely divided by the line drawn by the player

[Rainbow Jack©]

The Problem with this Puzzle at least for me was, that the prior ones Suggest that you "leave out" part of the yellow by as much the Blue States, e.g. 3 Yellow XXX and 1 Blue you go XX|_,
but this one turns it around by saying Yellow = +1 - Blue = -1, and regardless to prior Puzzles where you didn't have to stack stuff, now you have to stack Yellow ones to create 2 Fields with the Value of +2 to get back down to +1 Fields by applying the Blue -1...

[Ziel]

Originally posted by Rainbow Jack©:

The Problem with this Puzzle at least for me was, that the prior ones Suggest that you "leave out" part of the yellow by as much the Blue States, e.g. 3 Yellow XXX and 1 Blue you go XX|_,
but this one turns it around by saying Yellow = +1 - Blue = -1, and regardless to prior Puzzles where you didn't have to stack stuff, now you have to stack Yellow ones to create 2 Fields with the Value of +2 to get back down to +1 Fields by applying the Blue -1...

There's no stacking going on here, it's not a 3D puzzle. You put the bottom pieces next to each other so that the middle part of the new shape creates a square. What makes this puzzle different than the others is that you have to remove the blocks before placing all the pieces on the board, so to speak.

[Antanca]

The later puzzles in this area are honestly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The ones you encounter when you get to the underground area leading into the "red" station represent distinctly different logic than the ones leading up to it. I've brought this up in the past and people dispute it but no one can explain to me why, then, if you apply the logic of these later puzzles to earlier puzzles the solutions are invalid. That is proof that the logic is, in fact, not consistent.

[MiedseLP]

I thought I got the right solution, but nope. Can someone, somehow explain to me, why my solution is incorrect?

Caution - Spoiler: Picture contains the correct solution!

https://imgur.com/a/ExenScE