Soul set is too powerful

[Niss3]

The soul set is so powerful it makes the other classes less fun to play.

Please remove the extra wand limit and remove the "free" extra wands given at the start.

[Syraniss]

I feel like the soul set starts really strong but it really slows down, ends up being the worst class for me usually by the time you're finishing act 4 in nightmare.

I'd take the stretchy wand with arcane nova over every time.

[Recca1982]

Soul starts strong, but the speed of the wand movement to me makes it one of the worse to use in the later rounds where you're always moving away from enemies.

[Tears of Asariel]

you guys are sleeping on the summoner starter.. that free upgradable relic demolishes early levels, and stays viable for most of the run

[BEER FAIRY]

Strange, in my experience soul is literally garbage at worst or self imposed challenge at best. The reason is: you can not change wands, cast time is bad, mana regen is bad, targeting is bad.

At the same time dash set feels like i am cheating especially when you find one of "gain X mana for Y meters moved".

[AvangionQ]

Originally posted by BEER FAIRY:

Strange, in my experience soul is literally garbage at worst or self imposed challenge at best. The reason is: you can not change wands, cast time is bad, mana regen is bad, targeting is bad.

At the same time dash set feels like i am cheating especially when you find one of "gain X mana for Y meters moved".

Pardon, but you can change wands. Just put the crap wand in position 1.
Alternatively, you can drop an unwanted wand after removing all its spells.

[jackal[ronin]]

i mostly disagree with this post. until you level it up, it's the worst in the game, limit to 4 uncontrollable wands is terrible.

upgraded, it is the most powerful, sure the regen per wand is terrible, but you have 7 wands, all on their own cooldown.

let's do the math:
4 wands with 15 mana regen = 60 mana regen total, but you have to control them 1 at a time, so really it's like half that if you are able to mana dump, switch, mana dump, etc.
4 wands with 15 mana regen * 60% = 36 regen total, but they are each dumping all at the same time. if you don't immediately clear a room, you end up waiting for the mana.
7 wands with 15 mana regen * 60% = 63 total. it's marginally better total regen, but it's like twice the damage output cause your screen just turns into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndVhgq1yHdA

I'd be 100% cool with 6 wands total with only 2 starters

[BEER FAIRY]

Originally posted by AvangionQ:

Pardon, but you can change wands. Just put the crap wand in position 1.
Alternatively, you can drop an unwanted wand after removing all its spells.

My bad. Did not know you can move wands with a mouse, this makes soul set just bad instead of terrible in my eyes.

[AvangionQ]

Originally posted by BEER FAIRY:

Originally posted by AvangionQ:

Pardon, but you can change wands. Just put the crap wand in position 1.
Alternatively, you can drop an unwanted wand after removing all its spells.

My bad. Did not know you can move wands with a mouse, this makes soul set just bad instead of terrible in my eyes.

I think that Soul set is one of the strongest, once you upgrade the character.
Although, having seven wands firing all at once can lag overload the game.

[Cuddle_Rat]

Awh cmon I just unlocked it, can we please not nerf it right away? :P

[BEER FAIRY]

Originally posted by AvangionQ:

I think that Soul set is one of the strongest, once you upgrade the character.
Although, having seven wands firing all at once can lag overload the game.

I have all sets maxed out, imo it's just too much work, you need lots and lots of spell combos, half of them not working if you are not in the range etc.

[AvangionQ]

Originally posted by Cuddle_Rat:

Awh cmon I just unlocked it, can we please not nerf it right away? :P

Agreed, please buff the other starting classes, rather than nerf the Soul set.

[jackal[ronin]]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3209727546

[Sirjames101]

yeah i hope it doesnt get nerfed but it is for sure way too strong. one thing i have found that makes it so strong is focusing on buffs to all wands. for example there is a orb looking wand that reduces mana cost on all wands by 20% or the series of wands that give +regen to all wands. building wands to be self sufficent is how i do it such as finding one wand to be my summon wand making me a wall of bodies.

[Geeves]

Snake + Mouse control (Track) + Echo + Mana Absorption is not difficult to get and is essentially an IWIN button that scales heavily with almost any additional modifier (+speed, +duration, +damage, etc) with a single wand. Even without Mana Absorption it is pretty ridiculous damage. You now have 6 other wands to fill with whatever crap you want.

[Cuddle_Rat]

Originally posted by Sirjames101:

yeah i hope it doesnt get nerfed but it is for sure way too strong. one thing i have found that makes it so strong is focusing on buffs to all wands. for example there is a orb looking wand that reduces mana cost on all wands by 20% or the series of wands that give +regen to all wands. building wands to be self sufficent is how i do it such as finding one wand to be my summon wand making me a wall of bodies.

yeah, after testing it out it's pretty OP, but it's also boring af. It's essentially an auto battler with you doing nothing but dodging, so leave it OP for ppl that want it. I've personally gone back to the summoner set, tons more fun plus the relic.